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Question on using bus sends (pg. 2)
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| Nightshift |
| sends are extremely useful especially with reverbs and delays |
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| 19503 |
| maybe i should try bussing? never did before. only sends on reverb and delay to save cpu. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
I meant using sends as busses, I dont like the fact that when you send a signal to a channel it somehow duplicates the sound, cause there 2 signals going to the master.
I'd much rather have 1 signal goin to a channel and to the master, and adjusting the wet/dry levels on the reverb. Sorry for the vague statment lol. |
Ah I see now. Yeah that works great to. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
I meant using sends as busses, I dont like the fact that when you send a signal to a channel it somehow duplicates the sound, cause there 2 signals going to the master.
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One reason that you might want to do this (aside from the obvious send FX, as already discussed) is when you want one of your instruments to both be heard and act as a sidechain input for another group of instruments. Hypothetical example - route your snare drum directly to the drum buss, but also send it to a synths buss that has a gate on it such that the snare drum triggers the gate to open. The result is a snare (heard directly via the drums buss) layered with a synth stab (triggered by the SC gate). |
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| Final Call |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
One reason that you might want to do this (aside from the obvious send FX, as already discussed) is when you want one of your instruments to both be heard and act as a sidechain input for another group of instruments. Hypothetical example - route your snare drum directly to the drum buss, but also send it to a synths buss that has a gate on it such that the snare drum triggers the gate to open. The result is a snare (heard directly via the drums buss) layered with a synth stab (triggered by the SC gate). |
great tip right there man! been always wondering how to do that :p
edit : here is an updated clip of the track i posted in the OP. http://www13.zippyshare.com/v/26737954/file.html |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
I meant using sends as busses, I dont like the fact that when you send a signal to a channel it somehow duplicates the sound, cause there 2 signals going to the master.
I'd much rather have 1 signal goin to a channel and to the master, and adjusting the wet/dry levels on the reverb. Sorry for the vague statment lol. |
WTF? this makes me think that you have no idea about the subject.
The WHOLE POINT of sends is that you are taking a copy of the signal to another destination then back to the master, while not affecting the original (dry ) channel. It's to allow you to balance a wet dry mix of that desired function.
An insert is to take the actual signal flow and divert it to another destination then back to the master. Essentially, it is only wet because there is no dry signal to balance it with.
They are both used to route audio but have two distinct uses and are different functions on purpose.
Yes, you use a buss to route and you use a send to route audio somewhere but they both have their own places. For instance,(generally speaking) a buss carries many signals and a send is the function of sending one "split" off a single channel. They do the same thing in terms of routing theory but have different terms as tey are different in function. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| you can use sends for multi band effect purposes. Each send will isolate a frequency range and then effect as needed. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| I've been sending a lot of my percussion and drums via send to IL's Gross Beat. Absolutely loving it. |
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| music2dance2 |
| This thread goes ro show it there are many ways of doing things, and its good to try different ways out to see what works for you. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
you can use sends for multi band effect purposes. Each send will isolate a frequency range and then effect as needed. |
Sends don't isolate a frequency range, they send the incoming signal (pre- or post-fader) to a buss. You can isolate frequency ranges at the buss end (e.g., using a series of sends to multiple busses/EQs), but the sends themselves won't separate frequency bands (at least not in any console or DAW I've ever used). |
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| Mad for Brad |
| that is what I said or meant. You send a copy to many busses, have the original have no output and you can operate that way. I thought it was obvious that the isolation would be achieved via EQ at the buss stage. Many daws do not allow the channel multiple channel outputs so this is a way around it. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
that is what I said or meant. You send a copy to many busses, have the original have no output and you can operate that way. I thought it was obvious that the isolation would be achieved via EQ at the buss stage. Many daws do not allow the channel multiple channel outputs so this is a way around it. |
What you wrote was: "Each send will isolate a frequency range", which implies that the send itself will somehow split frequencies. I have no doubt that you understand the difference between what you wrote and what you meant, so I'm just clarifying it for those who might not. ;)
And, that is a great tip, BTW! |
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