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Ableton question : render to disk values (on a mac)
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| discobiscuit |
I'm doing some great remixes in ableton and rendering them to disk. When I play them in serato the bitrate is 1000+.
When u render to disk, a screen pops up with a set of values. What should I be setting these at to get 320 bitrate instead of 1000!
Hope this makes sense....
And like I said I use a mac.
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| Eric J |
| Sounds like you are rendering to WAV and trying to load it in Serato as MP3. |
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| atxbigballer1 |
Make the best .wav file u can and Switch it to use in your dj program, thats's how I do it.
just my 2c! |
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| discobiscuit |
| It's saving and playing in serato so I don't think I need to change format... I just wanna get the bitrate down. There are values you can change after you click render to disk. File type (currently set at aiff) bit depth (currently set at 16) snd sample rate (set at 3200) I was wondering what I should have those values set at for optimum results (bitrate of 320). |
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| discobiscuit |
| It's saving as aiff which serato is reading just trying to get bitrate down still pokin away at it... |
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| 19503 |
| was/aiff has 1400kbps so yeah u need to convert it to mp3 if the ty prog doesnt read wav (is that even possible?). ableton do not have mp3 rendering so u need to do that in a different prog. google it. if u r on PC i would use Lame. Im on Mac and using Logics own mp3 decoder, maybe Garageband have the same. |
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| discobiscuit |
Ok cool so I need to get aiff to mp3 converter sounds simple enough I'll google it. Serato is playing these files on my mac but each file is takng up way too much space on my HD.
How should I be configuring the render to disk values though? The ones I have question about are the bit rate and sample rate. I currently have them set at the lowest setting cuz I was trying to get bitrate down... What setings for best sound?
Thanx |
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| kitphillips |
Well, I sort of doubt whether you're producing "great remixes" if you don't know the difference between wav and MP3 and what a sample rate is as opposed to a bit rate. Bit rate != sample rate, and 32khz for a bit rate is not used by anyone because its . Its not at all the same as a 320 kbps bit rate, which is perfectly fine for DJing.
The answer to your question is: you should be rendering in 16 bit 44.1 kzh, which is CD standard (which hopefully you know). Then you down convert to MP3 which is a lossy compression format. But you should be archiving the wav file for future use, or at worst converting it to FLAC or another lossless format. Also make sure you have an appropriate dither setting in ableton. Doesn't really matter which one that much in your case. If you're doing any external mastering then all files should be in 32 bit rather than 16 bit, but leave it at 44.1 khz.
And do yourself a favour and read up on what MP3 actually is, and the basics of digital audio like what a sample rate, bit depth, bit rate, etc. |
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| discobiscuit |
Thanks for answering my question.
U come off as an arrogant tho might wanna work on that....
Sorry I don't know everything about music production brah that's what this forum is for! I could not find the answer on the web so I came here. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by discobiscuit
Thanks for answering my question.
U come off as an arrogant tho might wanna work on that....
Sorry I don't know everything about music production brah that's what this forum is for! I could not find the answer on the web so I came here. |
Unwise choice of words for a noobie, around here. I think he is wrong and his attitude is a little out of line, but your choice in words is still unwise.
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Well, I sort of doubt whether you're producing "great remixes" if you don't know the difference between wav and MP3 and what a sample rate is as opposed to a bit rate. Bit rate != sample rate, and 32khz for a bit rate is not used by anyone because its . Its not at all the same as a 320 kbps bit rate, which is perfectly fine for DJing.
The answer to your question is: you should be rendering in 16 bit 44.1 kzh, which is CD standard (which hopefully you know). Then you down convert to MP3 which is a lossy compression format. But you should be archiving the wav file for future use, or at worst converting it to FLAC or another lossless format. Also make sure you have an appropriate dither setting in ableton. Doesn't really matter which one that much in your case. If you're doing any external mastering then all files should be in 32 bit rather than 16 bit, but leave it at 44.1 khz.
And do yourself a favour and read up on what MP3 actually is, and the basics of digital audio like what a sample rate, bit depth, bit rate, etc. |
Here's why I think you're wrong. It's based on an experiment I did, using renders of 96,000Hz, 24-bit and 44,000Hz, 16-bit versions of the same track. I then used Wavosaurus to export the tracks to two separate 320kbps MP3 files.
I then loaded both MP3 files into Wavosaurus and performed a spectrum analysis on the same stretch of track, around the song's peak for each file.
You'll note, above, the wave only reaches 17.5 kHz while, below, the wave reaches 20.5 kHz. You will also note that there is a greater dynamic variation between the two. While CD quality is fine, if you're using CD's, for converting to MP3's, you're taking a loss, however small, in the fidelity of the render and that it's best to render from as high a quality of wave-form as you possibly can.
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by discobiscuit
Thanks for answering my question.
U come off as an arrogant tho might wanna work on that....
Sorry I don't know everything about music production brah that's what this forum is for! I could not find the answer on the web so I came here. |
I know I do. I have no problem with that.
You might want to try googling some stuff before you post if you don't want me to comment on your ignorance. its nothing personal, but you should know about sample rates no matter how noob you are. Anyone who's ever ripped an MP3 probably knows that stuff. |
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