full on stuff sounds more like hard trance and the progressive sutff just sounds like progressive trance.
i think this style is more worthy of the psychedelic title.
here is the tracklist for GTG 87
John
01: Miika Kuisma - This Is Where
02: Kay-D - My Dreams (Dark Soul Project Remix)
03: Incolumis - Satellite
04: Michael & Levan and Stiven Rivic - Angel Dream (Kintar Remix)
05: 00.db - Angel
06: Faithless - Sun To Me (00.db Remix)
07: E-Clip - Psytribe
08: CDR
09: CDR
Protoculture
01: Glenn Morrison - Triangle and Strings (Jerome Isma-Ae Remix)
02: Eitan Carmi - Subtle (Protoculture Remix)
03: Protoculture - Black Sun
04: Bart Claessen - Hartseer (Original Mix)
05: Protoculture - Naked
06: Protoculture - Silver
07: Jason van Wyk - Dream On (Protoculture Remix)
08: Protoculture - Early Bird
09: Protoculture - Euphoric Recall
10: Protoculture - Impala
11: Mike Foyle presents Statica - Blossom (Arly Remix)
srussell0018
I like that a lot.
Lews
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah, the Oakenfold Goa Mix. Psy-bores will tell you there's a difference between goa and psy trance, but goa is just the older, more melodic stuff.
I listen to the Goa Mix maybe once a year, and I'm always surprised by just how bad the mixing in it is. It's like in my head I always forget that just because it was influential doesn't make it great.
srussell0018
Oh well. I still find it enjoyable to listen to.
Ian
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah, the Oakenfold Goa Mix. Psy-bores will tell you there's a difference between goa and psy trance, but goa is just the older, more melodic stuff.
I've always had this association
Goa is very high-end orientated. If you listen to something simple like MWNN you'll hear more emphasis on that end which gives it a distinct glow in my ears. Psytrance itself has more emphasis on the basslines which in many tracks is the predominant thing you'll hear.
If you want good newer goa, try suntrip records, or ask Magdansky here for his mixes, they're very good.
J00F himelf isn't exactly 'psy' but he plays a lot of it and is like cross-over between the best bits from trance and the best bits from psy.
Good examples of easy-listening and not too full on (which can be tryhardish) but banging tracks include
Wizzy Noise - Sea Song
Jaia & Silicon Sound pres. Even 11 - Oblivion
Steve Birch - Tibet Calling
Those have great melody & really do put me in a 'trance'
Ian
quote:
Originally posted by Lews
I listen to the Goa Mix maybe once a year, and I'm always surprised by just how bad the mixing in it is. It's like in my head I always forget that just because it was influential doesn't make it great.
goa is actually quite difficult to mix. You can't get away with layering long transitions unless you're really good so sometimes mixes have to be very very fast and as a result will sound weird, almost bad but i've found it hard to get a flow from an entire set of it because of the patterns which aren't as simple as basic 32 or 64 beat sections.
Lilith
quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah, the Oakenfold Goa Mix. Psy-bores will tell you there's a difference between goa and psy trance, but goa is just the older, more melodic stuff.
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
I've always had this association
Goa is very high-end orientated. If you listen to something simple like MWNN you'll hear more emphasis on that end which gives it a distinct glow in my ears. Psytrance itself has more emphasis on the basslines which in many tracks is the predominant thing you'll hear.
Quite a lot of it has to do with the equipment used as well, there was still a bit of analogue stuff around the time Goa was making itself a distinct genre (TB-303's, 808's) and the mid-90's had a new generation of digital equipment which was software synthesised. It does have a different, slightly sharper sound when overdriven and a little less warmth/fuzziness that the older equipment produced with the same techniques.
SYSTEM-J
quote:
Originally posted by Lews
I listen to the Goa Mix maybe once a year, and I'm always surprised by just how bad the mixing in it is. It's like in my head I always forget that just because it was influential doesn't make it great.
By Oakenfold's standards it wasn't that badly mixed. But the whole idea behind the Goa Mix was Oakey playing around his weaknesses as a DJ. I wrote the following about Perfecto Fluoro, but it applies equally to the Goa Mix:
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Perhaps the most important thing that comes to mind when listening to Fluoro is that Paul Oakenfold was never a particularly good DJ, even in 1996. Unlike contemporary superstar DJs such as Sasha and Digweed, Oakey’s profile was never built on his proficiency, and he could never pull off their air-tight transitions or inventive mix-out points. Most of the transitions here and on his other mixes are very perfunctory affairs, usually the first and last bars of each record, and he often resorted to mixing out of ambient sections.
The result of this was a lack of control of structure, and the skill of his programming on Fluoro is how he worked around his limitations. Oakenfold deliberately lets the inbuilt structure of the tracks do the work for him, not attempting to create or maintain sustained momentum or mood. This is why the use of film scores is so effective- he places them as punctuation in the set, moments of deliberately sign-posted downtempo “listening time” before letting another track start (usually right from the first notes) and build steadily back upwards. The resultant listening experience is very much one of contours- the mix rises and falls, often within the time span of just one track, reaching energetic peaks and then subsiding all the way down to the cinematic moments. Oakey also has no reservations about using long tracks- the second disc has but eleven tracks and three of those are brief cinematic interludes, leaving just eight trance pieces in an hour. For most DJs that would amount to gross laziness, but Oakenfold turns potentially bad DJing into the very point of his set: with the Goa Mix and Fluoro he completely redefined expectations of how a trance set should sound.
If you are out for good psy trance check out releases from Twisted Records and Dragonfly Records. Some of the best stuff in the genre was released there.
Whirloop
I must say that J00F does not represent any psy trance scene really. He used to play some of it, but managed to shape his own take on the genre. So far he have something more related to the progressive and melodic sound, but of course it depends on what tracks you would like and refer to. And it pretty much goes for the stuff J00F releases and the stuff he spins.
ReclusNdangrmnt
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Originally posted by Whirloop
I must say that J00F does not represent any psy trance scene really. He used to play some of it, but managed to shape his own take on the genre. So far he have something more related to the progressive and melodic sound, but of course it depends on what tracks you would like and refer to. And it pretty much goes for the stuff J00F releases and the stuff he spins.
OP, if you want awesome music, listen to the guy that posted this^ :D
Whirloop
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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt
OP, if you want awesome music, listen to the guy that posted this^ :D
But i'm not psytrance though. I always have a laugh when someone says "naaah it's too much psy" about my music. :haha:
