Originally posted by LaMiLf
I'm not even gonna go there again Donnie. This has been dragged on waaaaaayyyyyyyyy tooooooooo much on TNL!!! You know what I think about it!!! LOL
LOL I know it has been but would like to get some opinions other than from guys that haven't been out since I was ting yellow :)
civicstyle
I'm a beginning dj and I have been learning on Serato using vinyl timecode. Been listening to this music for over 15 years so I have a great understanding of phrasing and keys due to always paying attention to the dj's mixing. I got the beatmatching down, but that is partially due to being able to read the comp and see the bpm and use the Serato to align the beats. I know it's cheating and I want to learn proper, so I want to get vinyl and straight-up try beatmatching two tracks and keep doing it till I nail it without using any bpm counter on the mixer or using the computer to assist visually. I have friends that mix using Tracktor and 1 in particular that doesn't even use headphones when playing cause he has the damn things auto-cued and just uses his mouse to eq/mix. Pisses me off, and he considers himself an "artist" which ticks me off to no end. But to each their own, they use the technology to their advantage. I want to use all resources but to have the knowledge that I can beatmatch proper before moving on to other things. End rant.
bdr222
I agree with Mel.. As long as i'm hearing tunes that blow me away, I could care less what someone is doing in the booth.. PvD could be controlling ableton with a guitar hero controller and a walkie talkie but if the music is awesome, more power to him!
echoform
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Originally posted by bdr222
I agree with Mel.. As long as i'm hearing tunes that blow me away, I could care less what someone is doing in the booth.. PvD could be controlling ableton with a guitar hero controller and a walkie talkie but if the music is awesome, more power to him!
+1
BoogieNights
lappys are kinda gay but if you still spin vinyl and cdjs thats cool. djing is abbout track selection and turntablism. software effects, looping etc is cool, just dont rely on it and be an IT geek behind the decks. learn some crazy like Mathais Kaden.Witness:
epdarks, love the cameo in this one haha
bigsnail
i could care less about someone using a lappy. as long as whats coming outta the speakers sounds good, im cool with it.
koky69
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Originally posted by echoform
+1
+2. If the Dj is flawless in his beatmatching skills yet plays crap, its as if he ain't doing a damn thing. Imo the hardest part of dj'ing is putting a sweet set together with your knowledge of what track should be played when.
euphoria
Technology was made to make things easier, even when it comes to things people consider arts or skills.
I look at it this way.... Are you really going to stand up and walk to the TV every time you want to change the channel?... or use the remote because it was made to make your life easier?
Do you really want to break your back carrying a zillion records or CD's or just one piece of portable equipment?
I respect the art as it was in the old skool and if that's the way you want to go it's certainly your choice, but as things advance those who are resistant against the advances of modern technology are just stubborn in their ways.
...and +1 to Melly, Tracklist is damn important!
XxGrOoVeERICxX
Very interesting topic indeed...
Well, when I first started DJing back in 99, DJ's were starting to get into CD's. That's how I learned how to DJ. I remember getting lots of crap for doing so too. The old school vinyl DJ's used to hate on me all the time. Many online 'flame wars' between TA, CoolJunkie, and ClubPlanet. I didn't let it bother me one bit. I let my music and mixing skills do the talking.
I challenged myself to try vinyl to see if I can do it. I tried it on my spare time and I was able to do it fairly well. However I found CD's to be easier, especially since that's how I learned.
As for laptops being used today, to me it's the same thing as when the 'vinyl vs. cd' debate was going on. Technology allows the novice DJ to be a superstar with flawless mixing. What sets the great DJ's apart from the flawless laptop mixing DJ is the way the set is put together and tracklist.
I personally have been on a long vacation from DJing lately, but I do plan on returning in some form or another and when I do, I will be using laptop. So I must be a traitor now :tongue2
llavoe
Feel it out. Be different with track selection. Know what when and where to play your prized possessions. A planned set may backfire if you do not think it out. Big room tracks in a dorm room sized bar is more uncomfortable than a tight pair of boxers. Some might think the Beatport top 10 is slamming, but as slamming as it may be, you can hear that on XM amongst other places. Loops are nonsense unless mastered by the man behind the controls (whatever controls they may be) Loops done by the big boys are tracks that you have never heard. They can loop the same thing for 18 minutes with other tracks and samples... but it is all new to the audience making it new and fresh. White labels, promos, unsigned, and un-heard material will always win. Always
Frowning upon technology in the booth doesn't make it a booth anymore. It makes it a VIP where girls jiggle and point while hugging a guy who needs a shave and can of Axe. Software, VST's, and sequencing software can give more options than you can imagine. CD and record players play one thing at a time and are analog. Digital sound comes from digital software/firmware. RCA cables are a thing of the past. If you're looking for the bigger jock-strap in this sport, and your opinion is vinyl and CD's; back to the bench you go!
Most producers and re-mixers that tour have a library full of loops and samples on a storage device of some sort that they can put together like a puzzle once they get to the table. A CD wallet or vinyl case of white labels are short simple and to-the-point. Not only that, but a DJ using wax and discs carry less music with them, making it much easier to know what they have and can mix it in a lot faster than most amateur lappy DJs.
Lastly, the infamous "ID this track!" posts on TA usually are tracks usually coming from a laptop, freshly burned CD of a WAV, or flash drive and are being tested on a crowd before they see a pressing compression or release.
koky69
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Originally posted by XxGrOoVeERICxX
Very interesting topic indeed...
Well, when I first started DJing back in 99, DJ's were starting to get into CD's. That's how I learned how to DJ. I remember getting lots of crap for doing so too. The old school vinyl DJ's used to hate on me all the time. Many online 'flame wars' between TA, CoolJunkie, and ClubPlanet. I didn't let it bother me one bit. I let my music and mixing skills do the talking.
I challenged myself to try vinyl to see if I can do it. I tried it on my spare time and I was able to do it fairly well. However I found CD's to be easier, especially since that's how I learned.
As for laptops being used today, to me it's the same thing as when the 'vinyl vs. cd' debate was going on. Technology allows the novice DJ to be a superstar with flawless mixing. What sets the great DJ's apart from the flawless laptop mixing DJ is the way the set is put together and tracklist.
I personally have been on a long vacation from DJing lately, but I do plan on returning in some form or another and when I do, I will be using laptop. So I must be a traitor now :tongue2
