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Even though I've always liked Bill Clinton (pg. 3)
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Dude. I WAS ING 12 AND I REMEMBER THEM BLASTING HIM FOR ATTACKING AFTER THE US EMBASSY ATTACKS! |
Really? Lie some more, dumb .
Then-Speaker Newt Gingrich on Clinton's efforts on attacking after the Embassy bombing, Aug. 20th, 1998:
| quote: | | Well, I think the United States did exactly the right thing. We cannot allow a terrorist group to attack American embassies and do nothing. And I think we have to recognize that we are now committed to engaging this organization and breaking it apart and doing whatever we have to to suppress it, because we cannot afford to have people who think that they can kill Americans without any consequence. So this was the right thing to do. |
August 21st, 1998: Senate Majority leader Trent Lott:
| quote: | | Despite the current controversy, this (Republican) Congress will vigorously support the president in full defense of America's interests throughout the world. |
August 21st, 1998: Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Jesse Helms:
| quote: | | The United States political leadership always has and always will stand united in the face of international terrorism. |
Same day. Sen. Paul Coverdell, Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:
| quote: | | Our nation has taken action against very deadly terrorists opposed to the most basic principles of American freedom. This action should serve as a reminder that no one is beyond the reach of American justice. |
August 23rd, former Vice President Dan Quale on CNN:
| quote: | | I don't have a problem with the timing. You need to focus on the act itself. It was a correct act. Bill Clinton took made a decisive decision to hit these terrorist camps. It's probably long overdue. |
Newt Gingrich on the comparisons to the movie Wag The Dog:
| quote: | | It's sick. Anyone who saw the bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, anyone who saw the coffins come home, would not ask such a question [about Clinton's timing]. |
Boston Globe, August 23rd, 1998 on Newt Gingrich blasting any Republicans that criticized Clinton's action:
| quote: | | Indeed, Gingrich even saw to it that one of his political associates, Rich Galen, sent a blast—Fax to conservative talk radio hosts urging them to lay off the president on the missile strikes, and making sure they knew of Gingrich's strong support. |
Richard Perle, so called "neocon" wrote the following in an August 23, 1998 op-ed published in the Sunday Times:
| quote: | For the first time since taking office in 1993, the Clinton administration has responded with some measure of seriousness to an act of terror against the United States. This has undoubtedly come as a surprise to Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi terrorist believed to have been behind the bombing of American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and to the regimes in Afghanistan and Sudan who provide him with sanctuary and support.
Until now they, along with other terrorists and their state sponsors in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya and North Korea, have manoeuvred, plotted, connived and killed with confidence that the United States would do little or nothing in retaliation.
So Thursday's bombing is a small step in the right direction. More important, it reverses, at least for now, a weak and ineffective Clinton policy that has emboldened terrorists and confirmed that facilitating terror is without cost to the states that do it. |
Looks like an awful lot of Republican support from those "high ranking members that were against him"...LOL! Sweet memory from age 12... stupid . |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
So wasn't Clinton a good president too then? Reigned over the largest boom in innovation and economic growth in the country and did it with a budget surplus? |
Don't start with that simple minded bull. In case you missed my post the other day:
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Ahhh yes... one of my favorite myths. Clinton being responsible for balancing the budget. :stongue:
A president is never responsible for balancing a budget, Congress is. And the Republican controlled Congress rejected 6 strait budget proposals from Clinton, until he finally submitted a 7th that lined up with their budget parameters. Newt Gingrich and the Republican Congress also forced Clinton to sign the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 which cut taxes. At that point, the economy took off jumping 4.4% in '97, 4.5% in '98, and 4.8% in '99. The balanced budget occurred AFTER 1997.
Contrast that with today. We've had a Democrat controlled Congress since 2006, and they are rubber stamping any and every budget that Obama wants... and look where we are. When Bush's tax cuts took effect in 2004, more tax revenue went to the government than ever before. That's how it works; if the rate is lower, but you have more employed people paying into the system, the overall receipts will be higher.
Also following Bush's tax cuts: From 2004 to 2007, the federal deficit was reduced 60% from $412 billion to $162 billion. Even with 9/11, Katrina, and 2 wars, we had the strongest overall economic productivity rate in 40 years. The facts are the facts. Just think about it rationally... does confiscatory taxation lead to economic growth? Of course not! |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Infact the unemployement rate reached its lowest point in the last 20 years under Clinton, and almost immediately started going back up under Bush! |
Facts sure do suck (for you)!
http://www.miseryindex.us/urbymonth.asp |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Boston Globe, August 23rd, 1998 on Newt Gingrich blasting any Republicans that criticized Clinton's action: |
Cool story bro, now tell where I said it was only (or even) just republican politicians. You are the dumb Kevin. Its the right wing media, that a majority of dumb white trash nuts and stupid, mentally challenged dips listen to or watch that were blasting him. Who cares what newt gingrich says, they dont even know who the that is half the time!
You seem to think that these ing right wing nut jobs get their news from at least credible and legitimate sources most of the time, no they get it from outlets like News Corps' brands and AM talk radio that is just filled with slanderous goop. These people cant think for themselves, you think they will take the time to look at what politicians are actually saying? |
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| Joss Weatherby |
Um, we arent talking about Obama here.
Also last time I checked Bush had a Republican congress for a majority of his two terms, and it sure didnt ing go anywhere good. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Um, we arent talking about Obama here.
Also last time I checked Bush had a Republican congress for a majority of his two terms, and it sure didnt ing go anywhere good. |
Well this is correct. I can't deny that.... and that is the reason they got shellacked in 2006 (and the same reason the Dems are about to get shellacked in November). The Republican Congress is 1994 till about 1998/1999 was a much more true, fiscally conservative unit; this is the difference. The GOP Congress during Bush's tenure was much worse, and the one we have now is even worse than that- there's no denying it. So if Bush's Congress' spending and government largess "didn't ing go anywhere good", what would you say about the current one which is a behemoth in comparison?
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Who cares what newt gingrich says, they dont even know who the that is half the time! |
You're missing the point, fatty. It was Clinton in that interview who blasted "high ranking Republicans" for not supporting him and saying he was obsessed. You fully backed that interview. So I posted real, actual quotes from "high ranking Republicans" immediately after the attacks, showing their unwavering support for Clinton's decisions and laying the smack down on those who didn't (and in the process illustrating your stupidity for just absorbing whatever he says). Unfortunately for Slick Willy, nowadays, unlike the early 90's, we have the internet available to quickly find information that rebutts his boogeyman claims he defensively spewed once he found himself in a challenging interview. |
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| epicaricacy |
you've got a wife that is anal worthy in your bed, yet you would rather spend your time arguing with a guy who's closest sexual encounter was stepping on a used tampon in a port o pottie at a manga convention.
because of this, nou wins. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by epicaricacy
you've got a wife that is anal worthy in your bed, yet you would rather spend your time arguing with a guy who's closest sexual encounter was stepping on a used tampon in a port o pottie at a manga convention.
because of this, nou wins. |
that anus ain't going anywhere. time is on my side :toocool: |
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| epicaricacy |
| ahhhh so the mail order bride service offers warranties? |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
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He was still closer to getting bin Laden then Bush ever was! :stongue: |
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| Spam |
| quote: | Originally posted by epicaricacy
ahhhh so the mail order bride service offers warranties? |
Exchange only though. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by epicaricacy
ahhhh so the mail order bride service offers warranties? |
A premium must be paid man. Just the cost of doing business I guess. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Really? Lie some more, dumb .
Then-Speaker Newt Gingrich on Clinton's efforts on attacking after the Embassy bombing, Aug. 20th, 1998:
August 21st, 1998: Senate Majority leader Trent Lott:
August 21st, 1998: Republican chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Jesse Helms:
Same day. Sen. Paul Coverdell, Republican member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee:
August 23rd, former Vice President Dan Quale on CNN:
Newt Gingrich on the comparisons to the movie Wag The Dog:
Boston Globe, August 23rd, 1998 on Newt Gingrich blasting any Republicans that criticized Clinton's action:
Richard Perle, so called "neocon" wrote the following in an August 23, 1998 op-ed published in the Sunday Times:
Looks like an awful lot of Republican support from those "high ranking members that were against him"...LOL! Sweet memory from age 12... stupid . |
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Sen. Dan Coats
Coats, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a statement, "While there is clearly much more we need to learn about this attack and why it was ordered today, given the president's personal difficulties this week, it is legitimate to question the timing of this action."
GOP Activist Paul Weyrich
Paul Weyrich, a leading conservative activist, said Clinton's decision to bomb on the eve of the impeachment vote "is more of an impeachable offense than anything he is being charged with in Congress."
Wall St. Journal Editorial Board
"It is dangerous for an American president to launch a military strike, however justified, at a time when many will conclude he acted only out of narrow self-interest to forestall or postpone his own impeachment"
Sen. Trent Lott, GOP Majority Leader
"I cannot support this military action in the Persian Gulf at this time," Lott said in a statement. "Both the timing and the policy are subject to question."
Rep. Gerald Solomon (R-NY)
"Never underestimate a desperate president," said a furious House Rules Committee Chairman Gerald B.H. Solomon (R-N.Y.). "What option is left for getting impeachment off the front page and maybe even postponed? And how else to explain the sudden appearance of a backbone that has been invisible up to now?"
Rep. Tillie Folwer (R-Fla)
"It is certainly rather suspicious timing," said Rep. Tillie Fowler (R-Florida). "I think the president is shameless in what he would do to stay in office."
Phyllis Schlafly, Eagle Forum
First, it is a "wag the dog" public relations ploy to involve us in a war in order to divert attention from his personal scandals (only a few of which were addressed in the Senate trial). He is again following the scenario of the "life is truer than fiction" movie Wag the Dog. The very day after his acquittal, Clinton moved quickly to "move on" from the subject of impeachment by announcing threats to bomb and to send U.S. ground troops into the civil war in Kosovo between Serbian authorities and ethnic Albanians fighting for independence. He scheduled Americans to be part of a NATO force under non-American command.
Jim Hoagland, Washington Post
"President Clinton has indelibly associated a justified military response ... with his own wrongdoing. ... Clinton has now injected the impeachment process against him into foreign policy, and vice versa"
Byron York, National Review
Instead of striking a strong blow against terrorism, the action set off a howling debate about Clinton's motives. The president ordered the action three days after appearing before the grand jury investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair, and Clinton's critics accused him of using military action to change the subject from the sex-and-perjury scandal — the so-called "wag the dog" strategy.
Wall St. Journal editorial
"Perceptions that the American president is less interested in the global consequences than in taking any action that will enable him to hold onto power a further demonstration that he has dangerously compromised himself in conducting the nation's affairs, and should be impeached" |
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/...n-clintons.html
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Boston Globe, August 23rd, 1998 on Newt Gingrich blasting any Republicans that criticized Clinton's action:
Indeed, Gingrich even saw to it that one of his political associates, Rich Galen, sent a blast—Fax to conservative talk radio hosts urging them to lay off the president on the missile strikes, and making sure they knew of Gingrich's strong support. |
Is it not unreasonable to infer from this that there were republicans criticising clinton’s timing? Surely it wouldn’t be necessary to write to anyone telling them to back off?
And please stop talking about Clinton referencing “high-ranking republicans”. That’s not what he said.
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CLINTON: OK, let's talk about it. I will answer all of those things on the merits, but first I want to talk about the context in which this arises. I'm being asked this on the Fox network. ABC just had a right-wing conservative run their little Pathway to 9-11 [sic] falsely claiming it was based on the 9-11 Commission report with three things asserted against me directly contradicted by the 9-11 Commission report. And I think it's very interesting that all the conservative Republicans who now say I didn't do enough claimed that I was too obsessed with bin Laden. All of President Bush's neocons thought I was too obsessed with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn't do enough said I did too much -- same people. |
http://mediamatters.org/research/200609240002 |
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