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| Sinnica Hax |
| hi palm!! yeah,,, it has been far too long and it's great to be here again, hope you have been well! |
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| music2dance2 |
When I 1st started out I tried FL studio, cubase and then reason. I thought I had to use various vsts to get going not realising FL or cubase had its own synths etc. That said I felt I would get caught up in using many many different vst's and not learn the basics.
That is where I felt reason helped. It didnt seem as complicated as the others. As its all self contained you have all you need in one place. You dont feel like you have to get any other vst's simply because reason is self contained and you learn without distrtacion of new stuff.
That said you can learn with ableton, cubase, fl studio, logic etc. They all have their own advantages. I've moved on from reason and if I'm honest I would suggest learning one of the others and not reason as you will probably move on from it at some point. But its a a great tool as others have mentioned. If you used reason to start off with that thats fine to, its all about your journey and what works.
We can talk all day on this subject but the bottom line is download demo's, cracked software, what ever, just see what works for you and roll with it. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
I started off on a cracked version of Reason 2.0 and found it one of the most confusing programs for a newbie. Not to mention the sequencer itself has only got worse and worse with updates. The program is great, but for a new producer, I would never recommend it.
Even once you get the general gist of reason, there lies the overwhelming and infinite routing processes which can create OCD worse than vsts in a program like Cubase or Fl Studio. It took me about 6 months just to learn the sequencer and how everything worked together. Than I started pressing the tab button to take a look at the backside, and with in another year said " it". Some of the routing capabilities in Reason ARE awesome, which is still why I go back to it. Not to mention I always had a hard on for redrum, subtractor and the matrix. It IS a nice sequencer, but I think its best to come back to it at a later time.
Most newbies I think wind up getting FL Studio, as the interface is extremely easy to understand, and it has a more "humorous" approach to it.. if you're into fruit and dancing animations. I still wound up staying with Fl Studio just because I know the program too well at this point. And its quicker than quick to get a basic beat down.
With that said I think newbies should start off on either FL or Live, and than play around with more serious sequencers like Logic or Cubase in later years. I've always wanted to move over to Logic, but I refuse to get a mac, so one day I will prob wind up veering towards cubase (when I get more hardware). But for now Fl Studio is really an awesome program.
I bought the XXL package, and than wound up downloading about 5 trillion cracked vsts.. and eventually my computer was raped by viruses and I had to format it.
I started clean and tried to limit my cracked vsts, but over another year had wound up redownloading most of them... and than boom there goes half my cpu power due to all the spyware and that virus programs suck at detecting.
I support cracks on one hand, but on another hand its not worth it for what they wind up doing to your computer.
I still use cracks, but have narrowed it down to only a few specific synths. I prob have about 10-15 cracks now in total. But even with that amount I still notice a slowing in processing power. So in another month or 2, I'm getting a 6 core processor (from a core2duo), 8gb of ram, and trying to limit myself to only 4-6 cracks.
I notice NO MATTER WHERE you get them from, or how many different anti-v programs you use to scan the cracks, they ALWAYS wind up slowing down your computer.
I need speed more than I need certain vsts, so its a matter of reaching that balance I guess.
In the long run there are certain synths I use a lot that I plan on buying, like trillian and nexus, but for now I only own a few cheap ones, like Z3ta and vanguard. And eventually I need to buy a few waves plugins too. But the longer I produce the more I try to buy basically. In another year or 2 I'd like to have no cracks at all on my pc, as my computer runs a thousand times better w/out them. |
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| floyd741 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
Don't invest money till you've had the chance to gather a little bit of insight. |
+100000000
Hell, I never even bought a copy of FL Studio. I didn't start spending money until I got comfortable with Ableton Live. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by floyd741
+100000000
Hell, I never even bought a copy of FL Studio. I didn't start spending money until I got comfortable with Ableton Live. |
Indeed, thats the thoughts of probably most people.Or until you are ready to spend the money etc. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
I've always wanted to move over to Logic, but I refuse to get a mac, so one day I will prob wind up veering towards cubase (when I get more hardware). But for now Fl Studio is really an awesome program.
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Have you tried logic before? If not try it if you can, you will probably then want to get a mac lol. Logic is great mate, I'm def investing in one. The speed and stability of them are awesome to. |
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| Andy28 |
To the OP... You can listen to us all day bang on about what to use, we can only offer advice based on our own personal exeriences on what we use/used.. Try a few programs then make a choice, they all get the job done so there is no right or wrong.. but just dont expect to get results over night, it will take over your life and takes what feels like forever to get these results.. What ever you choose there is a mountain of help and videos online to get you going in the right direction..
Its all down to you at the end of the day, good luck!! |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andy28
it will take over your life and takes what feels like forever to get these results.. |
I don't know about taking over his life, that just depends on how dedicated he is. But +1 as far as taking forever, you really do need to be patient. I've been at this for 3 years and I still have a ton to learn, and I've been very dedicated to this so far. You're going to get to points where you'll listen to your favorite producer and you'll think "there's no way I'm ever going to get this good, why the hell am I even doing this", work through it and just enjoy the experience and you'll be fine. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
As said earlier, Reason limits you in some ways. I think this can be good if you are willing to stick with it for a few years, though, because the limitations push you automatically toward intense investigation of the synths and effects units. Beginners who download VST after VST in search of the sounds they want often don't get that.
I consider myself pretty good at breaking down sounds and recreating them, and coming up with creative synth patches and sound manipulation, and I think this is partly because Reason was my only tool for the first couple of years. It forces you to explore because you have only three synths to work with (used to be two synths when I first started using it), and most of the presets are not really anything special, which motivates you to make your own patches.
But if it's important to you to start understanding a more standard DAW workflow early on, you should probably get something else, like Live. |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
As said earlier, Reason limits you in some ways. I think this can be good if you are willing to stick with it for a few years, though, because the limitations push you automatically toward intense investigation of the synths and effects units. Beginners who download VST after VST in search of the sounds they want often don't get that.
I consider myself pretty good at breaking down sounds and recreating them, and coming up with creative synth patches and sound manipulation, and I think this is partly because Reason was my only tool for the first couple of years. It forces you to explore because you have only three synths to work with (used to be two synths when I first started using it), and most of the presets are not really anything special, which motivates you to make your own patches.
But if it's important to you to start understanding a more standard DAW workflow early on, you should probably get something else, like Live. |
Big +1 here. Thats basically it. Its very tempting to not find results with synth A and here about synth B doing the business, only to find that doesnt work so you go and download more and more and more not really learning the basics. Being limited to what you have is good.
Again agreed on the standard DAW comment.
Also dont listen to anyone who says use this and not that, i.e. use live or logic cos cubase, reason & FL studio are rubbish or vice versa.
Artists and other professionals across the world use all these products in their own right to produce music we all lsiten to today. It is definately a case of not what you have, but how you use it.
Yes that old chestnut! |
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| w_ashley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Saint John
Well I'm a DJ, and I've always wanted to produce. The only thing though, is I don't know that much about music theory and all that jazz. I used to play a little piano when I was in high school, but nothing really special. Will I be heavily handicapped for not having much musical history, what should I do if I want to start to produce and what not. |
No Way!
To start producing you need a tape recorder or that record option on your mp3 player or cell phone. Work from there. (If you'd like to share it later) Otherwise all you need is some creativity and a memory. Then of course you might have to wonder if - does having a musical dream count as composition? What about musical thoughts that come to mind? Etc.. the sharing part and coming into substance is the real trick. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by ********
No Way!
To start producing you need a tape recorder or that record option on your mp3 player or cell phone. Work from there. |
Please, Diginut, do not let this guy do this, here. He will turn this forum into a mess. |
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