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bass, mono and all of the above.
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| johncannons1 |
questionnn :D
i know the theory is to mono sub bass. I know there has been countless threads about this as well.
but my question what would happen if i DIDNT mono the sub bass on a lead in my track. (in my car sound system which has two 12 inch subs it sounds alrite)
this specific lead is a saw with the extras- it covers freqs from sub to highs so just how it is now is perfect. it is stereo though not mono.
Do i have to mono this or at least the sub part of it? |
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| Eric J |
The idea behind collapsing low frequencies such as sub bass resides in the fact that sounds in that low range are monodirectional. Stereo sounds, by definition, give the listener a sense of horizontal space, so it makes little sense to try and give that space to a sound that is, by definition, monodirectional.
Back in the vinyl days this was a necessary step because cutting lathes would have trouble with stereo sound in that low range, resulting in unreliable pressings. There was even a limit on the total stereo width of the track as a whole due to this. Now a days that is a lesser consideration since fewer tracks are pressed to vinyl. That being said, the importance of managing your stereo width is still present.
So the biggest problem with your idea resides in the phase cancellation you may experience when the track is collapsed to mono. If your stereo width is too wide, then sounds may be less present or disappear completely in a mono setting. Many clubs run in mono or dual mono settings (for obvious reasons), so the importance of mono compatibility is considerable if you want your track to the same in a club as it does on a home stereo system.
As a general rule, many well mixed club tracks will have only a few stereo parts. Its a little easier to mix in this context and you can gain a bit of additional clarity because you are operating on the principle of contrast. If you have a single stereo track among many mono signals, the width of that track will be more apparent then if you have many stereo tracks fighting for horizontal space. |
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| johncannons1 |
thanks for the reply mate!
i understand now :)
one other question tho lol..
are there any waves plugins that have the ability to mono below a certain frequency i tried to google but couldnt find the right answer.
i know there are other plugins but is anyone familiar with a waves one that does this? |
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| sako487 |
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| music2dance2 |
I'm sure there are plugins for the job apart from just waves.
But you dont need them, you can split the sound into frequency bands and then treat the lower sub freq band as mono using a plug in or device within your sequencer program you use, which is?
If you use ableton this great tutorial shows how to do it better than I would explain. Some great vid's for ableton users from this guy also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9S6NqfWhtU |
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| johncannons1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by music2dance2
I'm sure there are plugins for the job apart from just waves.
But you dont need them, you can split the sound into frequency bands and then treat the lower sub freq band as mono using a plug in or device within your sequencer program you use, which is?
If you use ableton this great tutorial shows how to do it better than I would explain. Some great vid's for ableton users from this guy also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9S6NqfWhtU |
I use logic.. Is it just a case of copying the channel one low-cut at 200 and then the other highcut at 200? |
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| music2dance2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by johncannons1
I use logic.. Is it just a case of copying the channel one low-cut at 200 and then the other highcut at 200? |
Yeah that could work also. Try googling splitting freq's in logic, and youtube, I'm certain you will find ways of doing this in logic. Ill have a look tomorrow if you cant find anything. |
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| vikernes |
For those of you claiming clubs are mono, explain this to me;
1. Go here and listen to the melody: https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html...7/Killer%20Tone
2. If you have the track, fine. If not, just record the main melody into a wav. You can already hear by just listening to the melody that there's something wrong with the phase.
3. Convert it to mono and watch the entire melody disappear.
4. Go here and pick any video: http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...r%20tone%20live
And that's not the only example. I'm not a DJ, but I did quite a research into my mp3 collection to see how many professional tracks (that get played out in clubs all over the world) are not mono compatible. So go buy that track and play it in your club and see what happens. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| melody isn't really going to make people stop dancing but a track with serious bass phase issues might. |
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| music2dance2 |
| Joris Voorn said in his "future music - in the studio vdieo" that he doesnt bother with putting the bass in mono cos no one use's it anymore. He dj's in all the biggest clubs in the world and everyone plays his tracks, so I did wonder about the whole mono discussion. Not saying I wouldnt follow it just cos he said so, but it confused me when he said that. Ill try and find the link later |
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| JEO |
So the sub bass should be mono?
My sub bass is an eq'd sine wave modulated with a low saw wave. It has a tiny reeverb, no delay, no chorus, no panning internal in the vst. Is my sub bass therefore mono? Or does it have to be made mono with something else? |
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| AirPole |
| If your sub bass has a reverb on it, it's likely to be stereo, because of the reverb. However, I would never put reverb on my sub bass. Putting reverb on a bass which resides that low in the frequency spectrum is asking for trouble, it could cloud your mix so easily. But rules are there to be broken! |
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