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Modern DJ's, New Music (pg. 2)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by stealthman
In my case however, I'm not referring to familiar anthems that everybody knows hence "The important part of playing old music is that people don't recognise it" (and yes that includes old classics), only as long as it is obscure. That's what makes it interesting. |
I wasn't talking to you specifically, you posted while I was typing. I don't really agree that most clubbers are indoctrinated by Armada, though. I get the impression that Australia has more of a trancey scene than other places, but over here trance clowns are a safely segregated minority and I think that holds true in many places. That's not to say other scenes aren't fickle and stupid in different ways, but right now there's a general trend towards retro-reinvention. People love to hear music that sounds like disco, Chicago, Detroit and even the old UK rave scene. I think you can get away with playing old records in many circles these days.
| quote: | | PS. Most digital releases are and it's a fact. |
Most releases are . People only think the past was some golden era of great music because forgettable records are quickly forgotten. You look into the archive and you will find people from 1992 complaining about trashy, forgettable dance records clogging up the market.
There is an easy (and lazy) argument that the quality ratio has dived with the rise of digital formats, but it also allows the freedom that underground music needs. If it costs nothing to release a track there is less quality control, but there is simultaneously less need for a record to make any profit it all, and consequently less need for artistic compromise. And whether the year is 1992 or 2010, the DJ's task remains the same: to trawl deep and get past the to the great music. As far as I'm concerned, there is as much of that around as ever. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
... right now there's a general trend towards retro-reinvention. People love to hear music that sounds like disco, Chicago, Detroit and even the old UK rave scene. I think you can get away with playing old records in many circles these days. |
This is very true. A lot of the newer club-goers might not recognize these older tunes, but most of the DJs I've been listening to, and this includes locals in different cities, have done a fine job of playing both new and old tunes in a way that gets a crowd to trust them and throw their hands in the air to the older, unrecognizable music. |
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| kuollutrunkkau5 |
| quote: | | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Most releases are . People only think the past was some golden era of great music because forgettable records are quickly forgotten. You look into the archive and you will find people from 1992 complaining about trashy, forgettable dance records clogging up the market. |
Quite true, quite true, good observation. People have always said that 'today's music is '.
| quote: | | There is an easy (and lazy) argument that the quality ratio has dived with the rise of digital formats, but it also allows the freedom that underground music needs. If it costs nothing to release a track there is less quality control, but there is simultaneously less need for a record to make any profit it all, and consequently less need for artistic compromise. And whether the year is 1992 or 2010, the DJ's task remains the same: to trawl deep and get past the to the great music. As far as I'm concerned, there is as much of that around as ever. |
Also very true and a well made observation.
It used to be needed to press on vinyl, nowadays you find the occasional gem simply on myspace or soundcloud or what-not who has no record deal whatsoever but still makes very good music. |
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| Trance-MB |
| Think I'm gonna let my 1 year old son listen to my Happy Hardcore collection and my 4 years old daughter to my Eurodance collection. |
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| pozz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Guest
Damian Lazarus is an example of a dj who will play old and new. |
Chicago is pretty big on these kinds of sets. there's a club called "Empty Bottle" where the focus is mostly on techno, but the tracks go across the full spectrum of releases for the last 20 years and throw in enough dubstep, IDM and whatever else they can find to keep it going.
David Siska I remember is particularly good. Here's the tracklist to his opening set for Monolake at the Empty Bottle, may 2007:
01. My Bloody Valentine To Here Knows When [vermilion endloop] 1991
02. Tim Hecker Blood Rainbow Harmony in Ultraviolet (Kranky) 2006
03. Vainqueur Elevation [Original] Elevations (Chain Reaction) 1997
04. Substance Plate Element 3 Sessions (Chain Reaction) 1998
05. Motor 7 (Audio.nl) 2000
06. James Ruskin Below Further Design (Blueprint) 1998
07. Marcel Dettmann A Req [T++ remix] (MDR) 2006
08. Marc Ashken Roots Dyed Dark [Skream remix] (Leftroom) 2007
09. Burial Distant Lights (Hyperdub) 2006
10. Porter Ricks Nautical Dub [extract] Biokinetics (Chain Reaction) 1996
11. Benjamin Brunn Up the Escalator (Binemusic) 2005
12. Stephan Laubner Portside Waves (Perlon) 2000
13. Convextion Solum Ferrum (downLow) 2006
14. Exos Orangeblue U Cant Stop Time (Statik Entertainment) 2003
15. 7th Plain Pearl TEEX 3 (Volume) 1994
16. Pub Summer [Arovane AMX 4] (Vertical Form) 2000
Rob Hall should be mentioned too. His mixes are ridiculahs in this way.
here's his tracklist for Number Twelve: Vanishing Point, april 2008.
01. coil. - further back and faster.
02. meat beat manifesto. - radio babylon (space children intro).
03. bobby konders. - nervous acid.
04. the black dog. - virtual (gods in space).
05. dj fast eddie. - hip house.
06. frank de wulf. - moral soundabuse.
07. think tank.- hack 1.
08. hijack. - airwave hijack (part 1).
09. code 6. - 3rd aura.
10. the break boys. - listen to the rhythm flow (club mix).
11. epoch 90. - last night of the world (no surrender dub).
12. autechre. - eutow.
13. sandbenders. - trash i love (a1).
14. hell interface. - trapped.
15. kraftwerk. - tour de france (remix francois k).
16. 2 bad mice. - waremouse.
17. underground resistance. - electronic warfare (vocal).
18. van courtland. - rangers (burrito b mix).
19. holy noise. - the noise.
20. indo tribe. - owl.
21. f.u.s.e. - f.u.
22. terrace. - my mirror image (morning view).
23. monolense. - dead eye.
24. dan curtin. - voices from another age.
25. second phase. - mentasm.
26. underground resistance. - amazon. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by pozz
Chicago is pretty big on these kinds of sets. there's a club called "Empty Bottle" where the focus is mostly on techno, but the tracks go across the full spectrum of releases for the last 20 years and throw in enough dubstep, IDM and whatever else they can find to keep it going.
David Siska I remember is particularly good. Here's the tracklist to his opening set for Monolake at the Empty Bottle, may 2007:
01. My Bloody Valentine To Here Knows When [vermilion endloop] 1991
02. Tim Hecker Blood Rainbow Harmony in Ultraviolet (Kranky) 2006
03. Vainqueur Elevation [Original] Elevations (Chain Reaction) 1997
04. Substance Plate Element 3 Sessions (Chain Reaction) 1998
05. Motor 7 (Audio.nl) 2000
06. James Ruskin Below Further Design (Blueprint) 1998
07. Marcel Dettmann A Req [T++ remix] (MDR) 2006
08. Marc Ashken Roots Dyed Dark [Skream remix] (Leftroom) 2007
09. Burial Distant Lights (Hyperdub) 2006
10. Porter Ricks Nautical Dub [extract] Biokinetics (Chain Reaction) 1996
11. Benjamin Brunn Up the Escalator (Binemusic) 2005
12. Stephan Laubner Portside Waves (Perlon) 2000
13. Convextion Solum Ferrum (downLow) 2006
14. Exos Orangeblue U Cant Stop Time (Statik Entertainment) 2003
15. 7th Plain Pearl TEEX 3 (Volume) 1994
16. Pub Summer [Arovane AMX 4] (Vertical Form) 2000
Rob Hall should be mentioned too. His mixes are ridiculahs in this way.
here's his tracklist for Number Twelve: Vanishing Point, april 2008.
01. coil. - further back and faster.
02. meat beat manifesto. - radio babylon (space children intro).
03. bobby konders. - nervous acid.
04. the black dog. - virtual (gods in space).
05. dj fast eddie. - hip house.
06. frank de wulf. - moral soundabuse.
07. think tank.- hack 1.
08. hijack. - airwave hijack (part 1).
09. code 6. - 3rd aura.
10. the break boys. - listen to the rhythm flow (club mix).
11. epoch 90. - last night of the world (no surrender dub).
12. autechre. - eutow.
13. sandbenders. - trash i love (a1).
14. hell interface. - trapped.
15. kraftwerk. - tour de france (remix francois k).
16. 2 bad mice. - waremouse.
17. underground resistance. - electronic warfare (vocal).
18. van courtland. - rangers (burrito b mix).
19. holy noise. - the noise.
20. indo tribe. - owl.
21. f.u.s.e. - f.u.
22. terrace. - my mirror image (morning view).
23. monolense. - dead eye.
24. dan curtin. - voices from another age.
25. second phase. - mentasm.
26. underground resistance. - amazon. |
Thanks for this. This is what I was trying to get at with my original post |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
And whether the year is 1992 or 2010, the DJ's task remains the same: to trawl deep and get past the to the great music. As far as I'm concerned, there is as much of that around as ever. |
While the ratio of good tracks vs. tracks might be the same the amount of releases has increased enormously. Then again going through them all is a lot quicker now that you don't even have to get up from your seat, so what do I know... |
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| TranceArmstrong |
| i thought empty bottle was mostly rock shows. will have to check it out |
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| pozz |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceArmstrong
i thought empty bottle was mostly rock shows. will have to check it out |
from what i know it is. but then they have nights featuring techno pretty consistently (at least a few years ago, i'm not sure about now). |
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| Tangil |
| That David Siska set looks great, any chance of a link? |
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