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Vst/Cpu Heavy Advice (pg. 2)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Coyke
Why you are running 96k? |
That's the first thing I wondered.
Is the final exported audio going to be at 96k, or CD quality? If you're going to be bouncing down to 44k/16 bit, then you'll get no quality improvement working at a higher samplerate. A higher bitrate, sure (such as 24 bit).
Unless you're already one of the top few producers in the world who has effectively mastered/perfected CD quality audio and needs to go to a higher samplerate to be able to allow for the incredible awesomeness of your sonic brilliance, stick with 44.1k. |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Or you could just buy a soundcard worth more than 25p and use those hours of your life for something more productive. |
loz i was waiting for that so i will buff your ego a bit more in saying a upgrade in soundcard will help buffer out:cool: im looking to upgrade myself |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
loz i was waiting for that so i will buff your ego a bit more
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While you're down there..... ;) |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
While you're down there..... ;) |
to late:tongue2 |
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| vikernes |
| quote: | Originally posted by UXC work, just as an example):
Open project at 96k |
This is your problem right there. |
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| UXC |
So I ran to the nearest computer store and grabbed a Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium with the intention of returning it (yes this was the best card I could find and yes its barley different from the Audigy series but it will do for testing my problem today)
I installed Asio 2.0 drivers that work with the card and noticed an increase in performance in that I could do what I did with the Audigy at 40ms I can do with this new card at 20ms, so I would consider that significant enough to suggest the Audigy 2 Zs wasn't working properly for whatever reason (its also old), it also proved to me once and for all that the sound card has an effect on the ability of my DAW to process Virtual instruments :)
So i'm going to take a trip down to Moog to see what kind of sound card I should grab but I need literally 2 outputs and one not even fancy input. Ive been looking around and have been having a hard time finding something with a good D/A converter but not a crap load of award winning inputs with phantom power etc etc (you get what I mean?) Maybe what I need is a dedicated D/A and then whatever decent sound card I get?
Also I must ask, you guys don't run in 96k? Id run in 88 if I could but I do actually notice a huge difference when playing with certain VSTs (44.1 to 96). And yes this will be bumped down to CD quality, and in that case are you guys positive that there is no inherit benefit at running at 96k in this case?
Oh and DJ Rann, I think I bought the card when it came out for like 200 bucks lol I know its worth nothing now ;) |
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| UXC |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
aye creative are for saving cpu just change pci latincy settings you can get a tool for this it will help big time i will try and upload it for you.
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Interested to know more for sure. |
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| UXC |
So I tested the whole 44.1K vs 96k and I got above expected results:
I changed to 44.1 with a buffer size of 27ms (1024 samples)
And I can now run 5 nexus plus 10 plugins instead of what I could originally do which was 2 nexus plus 10 plugins.
Thats a huge step forward on it's own, just wanna confirm if the ultimate file is 44.1k whether going 96K during production has any positive effect (i'm not looking too far into the future just yet, ie not too worried about consumer electronics being able to play back 96k)
Edit: What i hope is the final update:
After considering some advice from friends and what I've seen here im going to go ahead and change up my work environment to 44.1K
AudioFire4, unless I cannot find it locally, then maybe the Focusrite 6
Temporary CPU upgrade to Q8400 2.66 Ghz (its cheap enough and will last me till I revamp the whole box early in the new year)
Thanks again. If anyone sees a problem with this or thinks I could do better let me know, I will be grabbing the stuff tomorrow. |
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| Storyteller |
The benefits of using 96k when your goal is 44.1 is somewhat debatable. Of course it depends on what you do and what media the product will be published on. Especially with so-called bedroom productions there is no real benefit.
Good you're staying off the Emu, which is just another brand owned by creative (soundblaster) as well which kind of implies it's no good.
44.1 khz probably also allows you to lower your buffer size even more so you can produce at an even lower latency. Especially with an
Echo soundcard, they've got quite the bang for the buck. I've got an audiofire12 for a couple of years now and it's fantastic. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by UXC
I do actually notice a huge difference when playing with certain VSTs (44.1 to 96) |
really??? you notice a "huge" difference??? |
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| Storyteller |
Well that is possible. Some plugins behave very differently on different sample rates.
I did an a/b-comparison once on a 96khz and a 44.1 export and almost everything nulled (or very very close to it) except for one sound which was because of a certain effect plugin.
I actually had a plugin that changed pitch as soon as you changed the sample rates. Quite funny and an obvious flaw on the programming part. It does happen unfortunately. |
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| UXC |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
really??? you notice a "huge" difference??? |
Well it's a an awareness that not everyone has and I get it, some sounds (depending on the complexity and the amount of voices) are crisper at 96K. I guess the term "huge" is relative the user ;)
Thats is just what i'm finding on my own, I have yet to step out of my own studio ;)
But I do see the CPU advantage of 44.1, which is why i'm switching back, otherwise I would much rather work with some VSTs at the higher rates.
And oh man, I cant seem to find anyone selling the Audiofire 4 :( I aint giving up yet tho, maybe I can special order it with someone, or from the states.
After talking to the guys at Moog, they all recommended I grab the U22S Lexicon due to "superior" D/A> Converters?? Its also cheap (200 bucks). |
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