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Solved : Omnisphere tempo track glitches
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| Mad for Brad |
Occurs during play back and bounce.
When you adjust the the tempo to simulate the push and pull of and orchestra, you get these weird artifacts when using a pad. You can hear it every time there is a tempo change like there is a sync issue. Others have reported it with cubase. I'm using the latest update. I'm using logic 64 bit.
Omnisphere Glitches.mp3 - 0.28MB |
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| Mad for Brad |
well did of experimenting, it is only the atmosphere patches that seem to do it. Oh well. It is a generic sound I should be doing with a synth anyways.
edit : it seems it is the echo fx that was the culprit. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
edit : it seems it is the echo fx that was the culprit. |
What was triggering them? Nodes in your tempo map/track? |
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| Mad for Brad |
just adjustments to the general tempo track. Like the beginning of the phrase is at 64, gets a little faster towards the middle then at the end it is slightly slower or real slow if there is a fermata. The echo fx was built in to the patch as part of omnisphere.
I wonder if there is a way to actually play the part without a click, lets say 4 bars of time then you can play a realistic line then sync the tempo after the fact. I'm sure there is but I haven't really used logic much to do this sort of thing.
Producing orchestral music on a computer is so very painful. I much prefer to just write it out, conduct , record, done. Although conducting is often done with a click but still , you have room to breath.
I know there is a way to do it with beat mapping but it is still cumbersome. Actually I just had a great idea. I can just play it then play the pulse after then use beat mapping. Derrrrrr. AS you can tell , i've spent way too much time in front of Sibelius. |
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| tehlord |
I had similar issues with Alchemy. Could it be the change in sampling loop points as the tempo changes? Maybe render to audio and use some fangled variaudio?
Cant hear the audio you linked, that site is temperamental. |
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| Mad for Brad |
| naw , the tempo track only effects midi, not sample rate or anything. However if something relies on your midi clock ie a vst effect with delay , this will change the value of the delay which we all known will increase decrease the pitch of the delay. |
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| tehlord |
I was talking about the loop point in a potentially sustained note, assuming the Omnisphere patch you were using had a loop point.
but you solved it now so goody! |
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| Mad for Brad |
naw no loop
Took 45 minutes for that which could be recorded in like 1 take if I revise the dynamic markings and what not. I've been at the computer for 5 hours trying to produce it and i'm on bar 10 |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
naw , the tempo track only effects midi, not sample rate or anything. However if something relies on your midi clock ie a vst effect with delay , this will change the value of the delay which we all known will increase decrease the pitch of the delay. |
The way they do it at work it to create lots of tempo changes on the meter. and ramp them down and up, kind of like automation but after the fact. Can get extremely messy. The only other way is with PTHD elastic time, but it doesn't really get used, as we're only in PTHD at the mix or recording stage so the composers don't go near it. |
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| Mad for Brad |
ya I wish I had a crew but I am left to my own devices. I am finding success with the trick I just mentioned. Although It has only been a few hours. Things aren't so bad when there is a percussive or bass arp in the background as you can more or less stay at the same bpm but the thing i'm doing right now is all orchestral until the G minor key and I really want it to have emotive phrasing.
It is a learning experience. I've never had to do all this alone. I've always had a tech there to help what I have sound good but I really want to beef up my portfolio.
Can you elaborate on the process they use ? I don't quite understand ? Are you saying they introduce meter changes to account for the tempo change or do they automate the temp track with a controller ?
Is this the final temp track they use for the conductor ? I know it is different with cues and hit points which at the moment i'm not doing but it seems for a mock up, the actual orchestra feel is not so important. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mad for Brad
ya I wish I had a crew but I am left to my own devices. I am finding success with the trick I just mentioned. Although It has only been a few hours. Things aren't so bad when there is a percussive or bass arp in the background as you can more or less stay at the same bpm but the thing i'm doing right now is all orchestral until the G minor key and I really want it to have emotive phrasing.
It is a learning experience. I've never had to do all this alone. I've always had a tech there to help what I have sound good but I really want to beef up my portfolio.
Can you elaborate on the process they use ? I don't quite understand ? Are you saying they introduce meter changes to account for the tempo change or do they automate the temp track with a controller ?
Is this the final temp track they use for the conductor ? I know it is different with cues and hit points which at the moment i'm not doing but it seems for a mock up, the actual orchestra feel is not so important. |
Yes, they introduce meter changes for the tempo change but sorry, my bad, I thought you were talking cues and conforming the orch to the beds etc. It won't help you a shade for final conductor temps (obviously becuase it's not a realistic option).
I know in PTHD you can just "play" then click it out after the fact, so essentially you're fitting the meter to the piece but I'm not sure you can do that in logic? |
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| Mad for Brad |
| well the problem is that i'm adjusting the tempo to compensate for the feel of an orchestra which is only something they would do for TV. I think my idea of playing the passage without a click then beating quarter notes to create a beatmap will work. I have access to a studio but other than official work which I am just a pawn and writer, I have no funds to hire the players. The owner is warming up to me tho. That TV theme I wrote, he has half of the writing credits despite doing pretty much nothing so he does believe in me and somewhat owes me. But honestly, I can't afford anything. Also , otherthan the one i'm doing right now , alot of it is combined with a lot of synths so it is just something I will have to do. I actually am influenced quite a bit by zimmers earlier electronic scores and really want to do what he did except with proper classical aesthetic. |
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