Here is what I would do. Get a reference track. Go to the part where there is just kick bass and snare. Now you have your kick snare and bass. Then spend the next 8 hours trying to figure out why yours does not sound the same. YOu should not be asking people these questions to be honest. You should be trying to achieve the type of mix you find appealing as there many aesthetic qualities to a mix.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Mad for Brad
muddy and dull.
Here is what I would do. Get a reference track. Go to the part where there is just kick bass and snare. Now you have your kick snare and bass. Then spend the next 8 hours trying to figure out why yours does not sound the same. YOu should not be asking people these questions to be honest. You should be trying to achieve the type of mix you find appealing as there many aesthetic qualities to a mix.
Great advice.
I recently accosted Dubfire (of deepdish) at an small event (he wasn't djing just hanging out) and we got chatting. I asked him if there was one piece of advice he could give to a producer what would it be?
He said, "find artists you really like and A/B your work to theirs. Listen long and hard as to why theirs sounds different or "better" than yours, from a musical point and from an technical point, then try to emulate them".
It's not about copying their music, it's about learning what you like about it and figuring out what you are missing. It;s the fastest way to change your skills to meet your goals.
Rodri Santos
i feel the kick sounds muddy, i'm listening in the laptop without sub and low end is missing, but the bass is overlapping the kick looks like they using the room from eachother, reduce some frequencies from the bass around 50-200hz and you can boost the kick around 5khz but maybe this won't fit this track, still is a technique to get over the bass.
Also i feel that the open hat is too high (the one that sounds every 16 beats or so)
Andy28
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
He said, "find artists you really like and A/B your work to theirs. Listen long and hard as to why theirs sounds different or "better" than yours, from a musical point and from an technical point, then try to emulate them".
I spent 4 hours doing this last night with a Thomas Bronzwaer track. I sort of got the sound ok, but i couldnt get it to fit right.. The only way a can explain is that, while listening on headphones his sound seems higher up in my head, where as my sound, even at the same key and octive sounds lower (not bassier or out like that) just in where it fit in the mix. Obviously panning moves it to the sides but how do you move a sound up?? Eq and reverb??
Mise
thanks good advice!
Rodri Santos
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Originally posted by Andy28
I spent 4 hours doing this last night with a Thomas Bronzwaer track. I sort of got the sound ok, but i couldnt get it to fit right.. The only way a can explain is that, while listening on headphones his sound seems higher up in my head, where as my sound, even at the same key and octive sounds lower (not bassier or out like that) just in where it fit in the mix. Obviously panning moves it to the sides but how do you move a sound up?? Eq and reverb??
Pitching it without stretching, with the eqs you can make it warmer and with reverb you can certainly make it a bit high pitched but it's a side effect of it. Most probably it's simply that you are not using the same sound.
orTofønChiLd
sounds like quit now
Mad for Brad
I think it takes time for people to develop their ears. Part of the problem is just picking bad sounds. THey don't know they are bad because they haven't learned to listen and know what will work together. Listen to your reference track. Go thru all your samples till you find one that is similar. Then the kick. Your track should not sound that bad without a shred of mixing.
Andy28
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Originally posted by Rodri Santos
Most probably it's simply that you are not using the same sound.
Aye could be.. Guna have another bash later.
Thanx
Mad for Brad
here is an example. This was actually the last tune I ever attempted and never finished in 2004
There is no processing on anything. No eq, no compression, just raw samples and synths. Absolutely nothing but it all fits. That is how you need to approach your tracks. The closer you can get to a good mix before you actually mix, the better off you are. Same approach as real recording. You get a good recording first and foremost. Mix only if you have to. Anyways it is ovbious that the track is not mixed but the point is to show that despite the lack of any mixing, things still work.
Andy28
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Originally posted by Mad for Brad
I think it takes time for people to develop their ears. Part of the problem is just picking bad sounds. THey don't know they are bad because they haven't learned to listen and know what will work together. Listen to your reference track. Go thru all your samples till you find one that is similar. Then the kick. Your track should not sound that bad without a shred of mixing.
I do tend to listen to more tracks and try and study them alot more than I used to, and am beginning to notice some of the sounds that are working well together.. As for not sounding that bad without a shred of mixing, well, if its something simple like just kick, bass, maybe a melody and a few hats then yeah but I just think thats because each sound sits in its own place in the spectrum and dont cause each other any problems, but if layering the bass in 3 parts for example (low mid high), it would sound awfull without at least eq'ing them. Or would that just go back to your argument that the 3 sounds for the bass dont work well together?
