It's up to the people how they use the material, you can just get the chords and make a completely different melody, or change the arpeggio most trance melodies have. With this tiny effort you are changing the track from the ground.
After that you make new percussion, add some extra lines of melodies on top of the track and it's possibly a new track.
I agree most remixes are identicall to the original, sometimes the original hasn't got good sound picks but the melody and the overall idea is good so i understand some people simply make their own interpretation of that good idea. But usually is just the same song with slight differences.
This is the most different remix i remember hearing last year:
Sounds nothing like the original, and is great.
JEO
What's up with all the Funabashi remixes?
They're pretty much just all the original score turned into a more progressive track, with some little added elements of course. Yet I like most of them pretty much.
Mad for Brad
scot project always changes everything. The chords, the sounds, everything about it. You can still tell it is a remix but he puts his stamp and it really becomes his own track. He basically takes the original and makes it not suck.
Rodri Santos
well imo you've to change what is wrong, if the melody is great don't screw it, if the main lead can't be improved because is amazing just put the stem on the daw and add some original effects to it
(Check this @1:15 )
This kind of effects rule and is a way of make different what is perfect. And i'm sure the original has lacks either in the percussion/bassline, original ideas or breakdown.
For me remixing a track is:
A) Improving the track
B) Making it different
C) In few cases making the track at your style, sometimes i feel deadlines force producers to just do this "OK, they want my imprint on the song, done in 1 week"
About Scot Project i like him a lot but for some reason i'm not very keen on the combination of fart bass & percussion he usually uses, but when he picks a melody he really develops it , he uses a lot kind of the effects i refer above, his remix of Greg Downey - GLobal Code this year is amazing, i've to learn how to make this effects, i've been wandering between styles but i feel i've to start making tech-trance and progressive, for me it's the future and i'm not so good with melodies, uplifting is becoming cheese to and i don't like cheese :P
Oh and about Funabashi, perfect remix of Rex Mundi - Nothing at all
Completely underrated track and producer, he is only famous for The Legacy and people associate the track with Alphazone so...
scorpradio
ok...so now with what you all have said, it raises a different question that came to mind.
If an artist/Dj takes an original piece of music anddecides they can do it better and composes a completely different piece [ NOT by remixing stems,midi or samples but by synths or whatever instrument ] using the same "arrangement".
Isn't this now something completely different to Dj'ing?
To me, you are now a composer/arranger/songwriter.
I have seen this as well, but where does Dj come into the picture?
For instance in example, Tiesto.
Forgive me if I am mistaken as I truly dont know this but...
Does he compose his own work? Or...does he "remix other works".
To me, it seems that more and more "Dj's" are getting off of there 1200's [excuse the old school pun :D ] and into the creation of music now days
Rodri Santos
it is said that dj duties are to mix and remix/edit, but there's a huge difference between dj and producer although they usually come together.
THe dj comes into the picture when play his own production or others production.
Most producers make originals and remix another, some people call themselves remixers because they mostly do remixes but if you can remix you can make a track from the ground and vice versa (talking about serious producers, when you call a remix adding an acapella offsync you are not a remixer)
Taking the same arrangement is what a producer should try to avoid but some genres are quite still and the idea of uplifting trance without breakdown (for example) is difficult to imagine (once again some people did it but having a breakdown seems to be a working? formula)
At last it's logical that djs are getting away from the TT's and cdjs, 10 years ago without internet people focused in improving their technical skills while djing, music selection (networking ofcourse) but producing was less important as it was really really difficult to get through frontiers as EDM was an underground music and you owe to the local scene in your area mostly. Music was made mostly for pure enjoyment.
Right now the game is completely different, is important to grow fans in your area but if you are a really good dj in your contry do you think someone from Greece for example would know you are so good? The answer is that is very very unlikely that someone listen to your set (unless you've an established radio show but having an established radio show means being worldwide established often so this is surely not the case). While if dj's worldwide , radio station, and people in general in Youtube, Spotify etc... are playing your tracks the chances of having a name are higher.
So in conclussion:
Great Dj sets---> Local hero (but networking is even more important at the local stage than in the "international stage"
Great productions---> International support (and sadly people assume good producer = good dj and some of this don't know how to beatmatch)
G-Con
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Originally posted by scorpradio
ok...so now with what you all have said, it raises a different question that came to mind.
If an artist/Dj takes an original piece of music anddecides they can do it better and composes a completely different piece [ NOT by remixing stems,midi or samples but by synths or whatever instrument ] using the same "arrangement".
Isn't this now something completely different to Dj'ing?
To me, you are now a composer/arranger/songwriter.
I have seen this as well, but where does Dj come into the picture?
For instance in example, Tiesto.
Forgive me if I am mistaken as I truly dont know this but...
Does he compose his own work? Or...does he "remix other works".
To me, it seems that more and more "Dj's" are getting off of there 1200's [excuse the old school pun :D ] and into the creation of music now days
Producers write, compose and make the tune.
DJs play the tune.
Some people are both DJ's and producers.
It's not rocket science.
Nemesis44
G-Con pretty much sums it up. DJ is what you do when you present your music to an audience, producing is something you do in order to create music.
With regards to using stems, midis etc. it’s more a case of what you do with it. A good remixer will be able to understand what exactly it is that people will identify a particular track with. But what is interesting is how people identify tracks, in a lot of cases people actually will identify with the remix rather than the original which can in some cases almost be forgotten.
In a lot of cases you will either have a great original with a few half arsed remixes designed to pad out the release, or a mediocre or crap original which a clever producer has turned into something unique and interesting.
You do get releases that are outright brilliant in all aspects original and remixes but that is of course a subjective view.
The modern day remix as a term is much looser and often crosses over into the realms of cover rather than remix.
Back in the days of the 12” (70s and 80s) it was common for the producer of the original just to mix the drums higher in the mix, extend the intro and play around with a sampler a bit. You didn’t get remixes per se done by external parties in the same way. In the true sense of the word, if you were to perform a remix you would require all of the tracks and just perform a different mix down.
If you are using midi files you are essentially performing a cover rather than a remix.
It’s pretty fair to say that when we talk about remixes today, what we are actually saying is a rewrite but the term has become so standardised that it can in fact refer to many different things due to so many different styles and approaches. It’s also correct to state that it can vary greatly from genre to genre depending on the characteristics of it. Some are much more sample based whilst genres like trance don’t lend themselves as well to it.
A lot of those remix packs on beatport for example do have very usable stuff in there, but if you want to set yourself apart from the average remixers who will inevitably throw together a version of the track that IS similar to the original you will have to get creative i.e. mangle the out of them, change the structure, or even change the genre. A lot of these competitions are looking for compositions that will broaden the appeal of the track within different genres, not something that will potentially negatively influence its success within the genre it was written. It’s not unheard of that they will release remixes within the same genre at a slightly later date but not necessarily announce it as the remix winner.
At the end of the day, the remix competition as it stands on Beatport is just another way of generating revenue preying on the aspirations of those who are eager to break into the industry, in fairness it does give a chance to the lucky winner but I couldn’t name one at least not knowingly.
Where remixing and producing differ is that having talent at one doesn’t mean you are good at the other. You do naturally get people who are gifted in both realms but you also get a lot of people who are amazing at one or the other but may also suck at one of them. Interpreting someone else’s music and writing your own are not the same skill sets in terms of creative process.
Just my two cents
Nem
Lunar Phase 7
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Originally posted by MSZ
ya but thats their inability to do something creative with it, to blame the actual process of sampling some stems altogether is so wrong. i have a hunch this guy is one of those who are uncreative. lol i ramble too much xD
You can get ed mate tbh.
MIDI file for the main melody/riff or whatever is about all you should need for remixing edm (if that as other have said)
There are exceptions of course as I said but ing around with stems of the main lead is more creative that making your own synth patches and layering it up with other synths and adding effects, etc? C'mon.
Don't even play the about manipulating samples and stuff cause we can all do that and I'm not dissing that.
AND ERIC J THAT NOT OVER YET TUNE IS HUGE! Feels like the 90's again. Yeah!
Lunar Phase 7
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Originally posted by Nemesis44
I agree fully with this even if it means I am contradicting myself.
MSZ
man you sound like such an authority when talking about remixes, like i said, please show us how its done. im waiting for a remix done by you.
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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
I agree fully with this even if it means I am contradicting myself.
BEST QUOTE EVER
Eric J
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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7
AND ERIC J THAT NOT OVER YET TUNE IS HUGE! Feels like the 90's again. Yeah!
