This is something I've been wondering about for a while. I would put it in the music discussion, but it's a very producer-specific topic, so I'm going to put it here. If anyone disapproves, apologies and please let me know.
So, when the track Who.Is - "We.Are" came out, I was really excited - as I always get when I hear a new sound and a new name on the scene. However, last week, when I was googling Who.Is to try and find a copy of their remix to Aruna with Mark Eteson - "Let Go", I discovered that Who.Is is in fact Bart Claessen + Raz Nitzen. Good for them - it's a nice project, but it's indicative of the elitism and monopoly that exists in the Trance industry. There seem to be so many producers out there, but very few who are actually signed or who we actually hear. Why do you guys think this is the case? Are less commercial producers just not able to break through? Is their music "overproduced"? Are they just not networking in the right way? I've seen hundreds of people hand demo CDs to DJs and Markus Schulz seems to be the only DJ who actually gives these a listen and promotes newcomers (Thomas Cressine and Pobsky are classic examples).
Second though: This year has been a great one for Benno de Goij, because people finally found out who the hell he is and that the majority of Armin releases are co-produced by him. In fact, Armin seems to have done very little on his own for "Mirage" - working with the Nervo Sisters, Benno, and Raz Nitzen. Similarly, Jochen Miller's new sound ("Classified", "uPad", remix of "Back to Earth") are all a result of collaborations with Benno. So my question is: don't you think there are more talented guys out there who can actually write their own music AND produce it? Surely if Armin was looking just for collaborations, he would credit part of the track to his co-producers? Thoughts?
kitphillips
I don't think trance is the go to genre for new producers these days. Its day has been and gone IMO.
That said, I think the fact that you're looking at the same names over and over might suggest that you just aren't very good at doing beatport research. Its a complaint I usually hear from people who just aren't good at following the connections between DJs, labels and remixers to discover more artists and tracks, and instead return to the same artists over and over again.
Kysora
In pretty much every genre of music, some of the best music usually gets the least attention, instead giving it to disposable bull the mainstream media and general population would rather focus on.
Trance isn't any different. There's plenty of good music being made by a large variety of producers if you look hard enough.
Lolo
Every ocean has its sharks and its eels. I do belong to the latter category.
stealthman
quote:
Originally posted by Lolo
Every ocean has its sharks and its eels. I do belong to the latter category.
In other words?
Lolo
quote:
Originally posted by stealthman
In other words?
The Trance scene is now effectively divided into several camps which gives the wrong impression that it's dead, and people like me would rather stay off the radar from the big names, that why I'm hiding as an eel at present time. It might take years until the sharks disappear, but those owning your ears right now will fade away, sooner or later.
MSZ
what makes you say that more sharks will not replace the current sharks?(wait you're not exactly saying that :p) the industry is a cool place. businessmen will always seem to be at the forefront, to my eyes anyways.
Lolo
it's cyclically more or less, but overall the truly greedy peepz inside the bizz have always existed. But the fact there's a true division among the trance fans between the die hard ones and the cheesy-fluffy types proves that something is going to change drastically in the next few years, and I truly hope that club music gets back to the underground. That's how I discovered your music by the way, which I appreciate a lot.
I had the shock of my life today when looking at what an underground label filed in progressive and trance: a remake of ICE MC! I don't know why, how, but no matter, I don't belong to that kind of scene, thanks but no thanks.
MSZ
yes, but hey, there will ALWAYS be some integrity in the scene no matter, and you are a PRIME example of it. its also special that you're commenting in this thread about the subject. I dont want to ball-wash, but this remix that was just released on mistique REALLY touched me.
all those years, and you're still making music that touches people that dwell deep in the underground type style. That is most respectful. dont stop!(you wont!)
Prototrance
Very nice remix Laurent,no surprise there :D
We've discussed the content of this thread before on this forum but one thing seems to have been missed by the op, which IMO, is part of the problem. Saturation of the scene with too many labels trying to make a fast buck signing sub-par tracks.
It's good to see Bonzai reducing it's label roster to focus on quality rather than quantity. The rest should follow suit.
I agree with the statement that many talented producers dont get a chance, unfortunately many ones do and not just those at the more commercial end.
Interesting note about 'overproduction'. I totally agree, there are many polished tunes out there with little emotive content.
Raphie
Let's face it guys, it's all "in da club" "dutch lead" based and "minimal" "electro" what people play nowadays
so David Guetta, Mark Knight, Wolfgang Gartner, Afrojack, Deadmau5, Swedish House Mafia are the new heroes. This is the stuff that sells. They rule the Beatport charts. Whether you like there stuff or not. And then you have the ASOT & TATW "fluffy trance" like Lolo puts it very nicely. that's the FLStudio template type "me too productions" so i guess it depends in which camp you want to be in (or just keep on doing your own thing, regardless, which i think is the best)
MSZ
dont forget the people trying to charge 50 euro to try and get a "pass" by beatport. anything to make a quick buck. joke.
