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Help, How do you place Percussion in the stereo image..
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| Mise |
Guys I am having trouble placing the drums in the stereo image, For example. The snare sounds to much in the front, when I insert a dimensional spreader (logic) it stands at the back but it looses sharpness, snare reverb is not helping either, it adds to much release.
Any hint??
UPDATE; using stereo delay, I set the both, the right and left channels 82ms at 1/16, 10% each on the mix. it worked. |
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| Mise |
Ill try it right now!
thnks Sako! |
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| Mise |
:happy2: !!!!!!!!!!!! yes
I just grouped the snare and cymbals channel to a "back sounding channel" applied compresion>Averb>StDelay |
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| Mad for Brad |
I wouldn't use delay as you don't want to mess with the stereo image but rather the front to back depth which I suppose is more psychological. EQ and reverb probably your best bet or just use another snare.
I'm sort of surprised you are complaining about a snare being in the forefront as that is where it belongs. |
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| Mise |
| well yes, I meant the ear perception of it... Its the for the trance track I post days ago. I kind want them not to "disturb" the lead lines.. just add to the overall, I am not sure if I am making my self clear. (sorry 4 my inglish).. |
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| DJ RANN |
The classic solution for this is reverb and compression.
I hate using such esoteric language but...
Compress it to make it behave a little, not stand out so much (less "sharp" as most snares are defined by their attack transient) and add a little reverb to set it back. Adjust the wet/dry balance so that it's above and center in the stereo image (less dry more wet). Not too huge a reverb otherwise you're headed in to power rock territory (think MTV video, spandex, water on snare drum). |
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| Mise |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
The classic solution for this is reverb and compression.
I hate using such esoteric language but...
Compress it to make it behave a little, not stand out so much (less "sharp" as most snares are defined by their attack transient) and add a little reverb to set it back. Adjust the wet/dry balance so that it's above and center in the stereo image (less dry more wet). Not too huge a reverb otherwise you're headed in to power rock territory (think MTV video, spandex, water on snare drum). |
tnks for your explanation!, I will try it out and experiment with different dry-wet levels,
Its so frustrating when I cant get the sound Im after... so far, the setting I posted above is the one thats working better so far.. |
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| DJ RANN |
I'm at work so only have really ty headphones but to, me it sounds extremely dry (for the perc) and I think your first issue is actually eq. I know you said it has no EQ but done worry about the how the snare sounds if so.
The perc sounds dull, in that there's no shimmer or sparkle. It could be down to the sounds you've used (my headphones here are that bad I can't tell) but you'd certainly benfit from first EQ out frequencies that are overlapping between sounds. Listen (and look with an analyzer) at where their main content is and eq out what is not needed compared to each other.
Then kill and resonance points: get your EQ on that sound, high Q, and max gain and sweep through that sound (solo'd) until you find it's ringing, then turn down the gain at that point by at least 3-6db and slightly widen the Q, but only a little.
once you've done these, add a little presence to the perc sound by just adding a smooth, but small amount of EQ to the frequencies of that sound that make you hear some of their timbre and presence.
After you've done that to each of the sounds individually, check them against each other to avoid any clashes in freq again.
Now pan them, according to where they should sit in the stereo field.
Now set up a reverb on an aux send (something with a mid room size, not too long a tail) and send each instrument to taste of the hi perc to it. place an EQ after the reverb and only high pass (say kill everything below 250hz).
You can adjust the wet dry by deciding how to to send. If something sound too dry, then send more, if it sounds too wet, then send less.
Try all this and I think you'll hear a lot more separation and better stereo image on your drums.
I'm only givbing technical advice in this post but as a side note, you really want to look at adding some shuffle and groove to that perc. It's all on the meter at the moment. |
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| Mise |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm at work so only have really ty headphones but to, me it sounds extremely dry (for the perc) and I think your first issue is actually eq. The perc sounds dull, in that there's no shimmer or sparkle. It could be down to the sounds you've used (my headphones here are that bad I can't tell) but you'd certainly benfit from first EQ out frequencies that are overlapping between sounds. Listen (and look with an analyzer) at where their main content is and eq out what is not needed compared to each other.
Then kill and resonance points: get your EQ on that sound, high Q, and max gain and sweep through that sound (solo'd) until you find it's ringing, then turn down the gain at that point by at least 3-6db and slightly widen the Q, but only a little.
once you've done these, add a little presence to the perc sound by just adding a smooth, but small amount of EQ to the frequencies of that sound that make you hear some of their timbre and presence.
After you've done that to each of the sounds individually, check them against each other to avoid any clashes in freq again.
Now pan them, according to where they should sit in the stereo field.
Now set up a reverb on an aux send (something with a mid room size, not too long a tail) and send each instrument to taste of the hi perc to it. place an EQ after the reverb and only high pass (say kill everything below 250hz).
You can adjust the wet dry by deciding how to to send. If something sound too dry, then send more, if it sounds too wet, then send less.
Try all this and I think you'll hear a lot more separation and better stereo image on your drums.
I'm only givbing technical advice in this post but as a side note, you really want to look at adding some shuffle and groove to that perc. It's all on the meter at the moment. |
wow! better than "computer music magazine could explain. Tomorrow with fresh ears, I will try it..
Tnks man!
Respect.
Mise. |
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| Morvan |
The classic solution is to turn the volume of the snare down. Then you see what you can do with EQ and Compression.
If it sounds too dry, I'd suggest adding a bit of Early Reflection from a Reverb. |
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