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Monitor Speakers. Which Are Good Ones? (pg. 2)
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| Ray_Finkle |
| Yeah, I agree with the cheap solution. Buy a pair of bookshelf or other speakers (i say bookshelf because they are generally cheaper) and grab a subwoofer. That way you get a really really good range and enough bass. |
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| Sinonick |
bookshelf type speakers are most of the time not powerful enough, so if you add a subwoofer it would really suck... i know what i'm talking about, mines are cheap ones and i have a 200W 12" sub, the bass is really lagging, +too loud for the speakers... it sounds like the speakers are in another room or something. it really really sucks for beatmatching...
i'm not saying there is a better choice, but you should know that if you go the sub way you'll be really pissed from the bass lag.
it's up to you to decide if you want that extra bass or if you want to have a descnt sound for beatmatching... |
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| DJ Chrono |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sinonick
it's up to you to decide if you want that extra bass or if you want to have a descnt sound for beatmatching... |
this could just be your setup, because I can pump my bookshelves up loud, and it sounds fine. And my bass always seems right, never lagging. it could be your amp or somehting that creates this lag. but like I said, go to an audio store and test different setups. You can get them to hookup two bookshelves and an sub, and then compare it to floor standing ones, and you can determine which is better. |
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| Mail Man |
| You have an amazing set up. did u do that ur self or did u get some1 in to get it done? |
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| Dj Thy |
As I said already, that pic is from Armin Van Buuren's studio :D
I use 15" PA speakers right now for practice in my bedroom, but as I am tired of replacing my windows every two weeks, I'm getting studio monitors (trying my luck... erm skillz :) on producing soon, so could get handier). |
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| lexiconavenue |
| id have to go ahead and say that the behringer truth monitors are your best bet...for the price (($400 usd/pair)), they are unbeatable!! whatever you are going to use them for, they can handle without adding anything thats not really there...the bad thing about using regular speakers ((**directed @ chrono)) is that they have a slight, yet ugly tendency to add color and cut or add frequencies to sounds that aren't really there... when you are producing, that becomes critical in determining your final mix. another plus about the truth's is that they are powered, so you dont have to go and buy an amp for them...plus they are magnetically shielded so you can squat them next to your computer monitor, or any other electronic gadget :D:D |
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| DJ Chrono |
| quote: | Originally posted by lexiconavenue
the bad thing about using regular speakers ((**directed @ chrono)) is that they have a slight, yet ugly tendency to add color and cut or add frequencies to sounds that aren't really there... when you are producing, that becomes critical in determining your final mix. |
true, but is it really that important? for example, who's gonna be able to hear those frequencies and imperfections unless they are listen to your mix on professional monitors? the general public is not. the only problem i could see, is those imperfections would be amplified on club systems, or other really loud sources.
if you are mainly gonna use them for DJing, then you wouldnt even need studio monitors.. but you did say you want to get into producing.
I feel that right now I'd go with cheapers, and if you seriously get into producing, with songs being release etc, go for real monitors.
I'm waiting until I get signed to buy a pair of prof. studio monitors. |
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| lexiconavenue |
scenario::
you are hired to make a remix of a popular dance tune. you own a pair of sony bookshelf speakers rated @ 100 Hz-18,000 Hz, used as your reference monitors. you pick out a nice sub bass sound that compliments the original bassline of the track. but what you do not realize is that there is an extra, low sound below the frequency which your speakers are not capable of putting out, hidden in the selected patch. this causes an ugly, low muddy sound from the bass being improperly eq'd. plus, the right speaker is out of phase with the left, causing faulty sound source positioning of the original bassline **which in turn places the original bassline too far in front of the mix. you also decide to sample the original kick drum and high hat pattern. but it just doesn't sound quite right when played through the sony's. so you decide to boost the low and high frequency. ((always cut frequencies::never boost unless u absolutely must!!)) they sound good on the sony's, but when played back on any other speaker, the hi hats come out frilly and overdriven, the bass kick is a tad distorted, resulting in a crisp clicking sound.
not good.
of course that might not ever happen, but buying a pair of budget studio monitors now, that are in phase with each other, and have a flat frequency response of between 20-20000Hz will save you alot of trouble (and money) down the road.
brought to you by your friendly neighborhood :DLexicon:D |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by lexiconavenue
of course that might not ever happen, but buying a pair of budget studio monitors now, that are in phase with each other, and have a flat frequency response of between 20-20000Hz will save you alot of trouble (and money) down the road.
brought to you by your friendly neighborhood :DLexicon:D |
not only that but using stage speakers for producing or home suck will bring one big problem ,they "only" sound good when they are pushed; generally speaking.
that means if you run the speakers at low volume well they don't perform that great, when you're running at low volume, a lot of hiss can get in there. |
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| Ray_Finkle |
HOLY !!
I think that the speakers that Armin uses (in his studio pix up above) are the...........
Yamaha MSP5 Bi-Amplified Monitor Speakers
here is a review
http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.YAMMSP5&f=2045
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Description
Back in the day, everybody wanted huge speaker arrays with gonzo power amps for eardrum-zapping playback levels in their studios. In these modern times, we've learned that a smaller, self-powered set of near-field monitors is a much better reference for our control rooms. These systems have usually commanded withering prices, but Yamaha breaks through that barrier with the MSP5s.
Yamaha has been there from the start as a manufacturer of small speakers with hi-fi specs, and that experience bears fruit in this fine system.
The cabinets are ultra-compact, with a small face-print which makes them accurate for "point-source" listening. Your choice of XLR or 1/4 in. jacks makes the hookup a breeze. And you can place these speakers anywhere you please, thanks to complete magnetic shielding.
Inside each cabinet are 2 separate amplifiers for true biamplification. 40 watts goes to the 5 in. custom woofer, and 27 watts to the 1 in, titanium dome tweeter. This tweeter is surrounded by a waveguide horn which delivers uniform dispersion without distortion or coloration. The cabinet is also a bass reflex design.
Also included is a 4-position EQ switch for the low frequencies, and a 3-position switch for the highs which allow you to tailor the system's response to the acoustic environment.
Specifications
General Type: Biamp. 2-way, bass-reflex powered speaker
General Crossover Frequency: 2.5 kHz
General Overall Frequency Response: 50 Hz ~ 40 kHz
Dimensions ( W x H x D): 169 x 279 x 222mm (6-5/8 x 11 x 8-3/4 in.)
Weight: 7.5 kg (16.5 lbs.)
Speaker Components:
LF: 12 cm (4-2/7 in.) cone (4 ohms); HF: 2.5 cm (1 in.) titanium dome (6 ohms)
Speaker Enclosure: Bass reflex type, magnetic shielding construction
Amplifier Output Power:
LF: 40W at 400Hz, THD=0.02%, RL=4 ohms; HF: 27W at 10kHz, THD=0.02%, RL= 6 ohms
Amplifier Input Sensitivity/Impedance:
Line 1: +4dB/10k ohm/XLR; Line: 2 -10dB/10k ohm/Phone Jack
Amplifier S/N: Greater than or equal to 100dB (A weighted)
Amplifier Controls TRIM switches: LOW: 4 position (+1.5dB, 0dB, -1.5dB, -3.0dB at 60Hz); HIGH: 3 position (+1.5dB, 0dB, -1.5dB, at 15kHz); Power switch: On/Off; Level Control
Amplifier Power Indicator: Green LED
Amplifier Power Requirement:
US and Canadian Models: 120v 60Hz
General Models: 230v 50Hz
Amplifier Power Consumption:
US and Canadian Models: 60W
General Models: 60W
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| Sinonick |
yeap, they sure are the same speakers...
pretty cool ones... how much $$$ ??? |
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| Ray_Finkle |
the list price is 319 PER SPEAKER
man that's a lot |
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