|
American mass murder in Iraq (pg. 3)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Banora |
| Please stop embarrassing Denmark. |
|
|
| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
It sucks, but maybe people shouldn't take their kids out into the streets like that when its not safe. . |
Or maybe the americans can stay in america and stop raping the world? |
|
|
| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I've talked with a number of Apache pilots/gunners about operations very close to this, and like any other combat job in the military you have to cope with the fact that you are killing people, otherwise you might get killed. Its a ty job... |
that is utter bull. inside an apache helicopter is about the safest place you can be in during a war. |
|
|
| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
In danger of unarmed non-combatants who are trying to rescue wounded? Oh yes, it is a realistic possibility. What would they do, throw medicine after the troops?
Firstly, you apparently do not understand that it is us who are the aggressors here. We attacked a country - in this case, even based on a lie, but that does not matter. When you do attack, you simply can not afford to shoot people without being absolutely sure they've done something wrong.
It is not okay to kill someone to be be on the safe side because they might have had weapons. It could have been if we defended our own country against an attack.
Either you have completely overlooked these things, or you have the most insane, murderous mindset i have experience in a long time, and it would scare me that someone as bloodthirsty roams freely. |
You are an idiot. It is war. The enemy doesn't stop and ask question, hell the take extreme measures to NOT make sure they are killing who they are after most of the time.
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
So now you are arguing that we must execute all strongly religious people because they might pose a danger one day? |
Yes, that is exactly what I argued. :rolleyes:
| quote: | Originally posted by Znack
So you also think witch burnings in medieval times were good? They were legal. Torture of infidels? To keep slaves? It was all legal once.
The law is irrelevant in this context. It is made by humans and is thus an expression of what some people consider to be right. What we are discussing here is exactly about that, if it is defensible that some people find it to be right.
The argument of legality is circular. You really are just saying, because we do it, it is right to do it. |
:crazy: So then, who is right? Your interpretation of the law? off. Listen to Banora and quit making Denmark look stupid. |
|
|
| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
that is utter bull. inside an apache helicopter is about the safest place you can be in during a war. |
:stongue:
No. In a real war the attrition rate for combat helicopters would be incredibly high. Thats what these guys are trained for, the worst possible situation. |
|
|
| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
:stongue:
No. In a real war the attrition rate for combat helicopters would be incredibly high. Thats what these guys are trained for, the worst possible situation. |
Apaches can't be grouped in with other combat helicopters. It's like comparing a firecracker to a stick of dynamite.
Btw, What do you mean a "real war"? |
|
|
| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
Apaches can't be grouped in with other combat helicopters. It's like comparing a firecracker to a stick of dynamite.
Btw, What do you mean a "real war"? |
...
I don't think you know about Apaches...
And by real war I mean a war with a high surface to air threat environment, cannon or missile. Attack helicopters are very capable, but in a heavy surface to air environment they'd be getting shot down left and right. If you take air cover out of the mix then they'd be even more vulnerable.
Look at even a country like Afghanistan where there is very good attack helicopter terrain. As soon as the insurgents in the 1980s Soviet invasion got their hands on MANPADS, Soviet Hinds began to take a serious hit. Once the air mobility of their troops and the support provided by the Hind was compromised the Soviets had a lot of trouble fighting a much weaker, smaller force.
The same goes for Apache, which is less armored and slower than the Hind, though it does have better sensors and weapons. They are susceptible to ground fire, especially in a combat environment like Iraq where there is very little terrain to hide amongst (the main tactic of attack copters). |
|
|
| dj_alfi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
...
I don't think you know about Apaches...
And by real war I mean a war with a high surface to air threat environment, cannon or missile. Attack helicopters are very capable, but in a heavy surface to air environment they'd be getting shot down left and right. If you take air cover out of the mix then they'd be even more vulnerable.
Look at even a country like Afghanistan where there is very good attack helicopter terrain. As soon as the insurgents in the 1980s Soviet invasion got their hands on MANPADS, Soviet Hinds began to take a serious hit. Once the air mobility of their troops and the support provided by the Hind was compromised the Soviets had a lot of trouble fighting a much weaker, smaller force.
The same goes for Apache, which is less armored and slower than the Hind, though it does have better sensors and weapons. They are susceptible to ground fire, especially in a combat environment like Iraq where there is very little terrain to hide amongst (the main tactic of attack copters). |
meh |
|
|
| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
meh |
There is a reason I don't have a life outside studying military ... It's because I am good at it. :p |
|
|
| dj_alfi |
Yeah, THATS the reason! 
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I don't have a life |
|
|
|
| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj_alfi
Yeah, THATS the reason! |
Yes. It is... :conf: |
|
|
| dj_alfi |
| Just keep telling yourself that :) |
|
|
|
|
