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a day of terror in Israel (pg. 2)
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| NyKoN |
| quote: | Originally posted by fastmp3
if there's a person to blame , it must be Sharon ...
Israelians want peace , they want security , they want to live next to the Palestinians as neighbours ... but the government doesn't , Sharon doesn't , the extreme right doesn't , the highest religious authorities doesn't ...
Palestinians (including Arafat) want peace , they want security , they want to live next to the Israelians as neighbours ... but hamas/hezbollah doesn't ... |
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ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now u cracked me up- man, thanks, 1st time u laught that hard today
LOL
who do u think pays the suicide bombers? certenly not hamas bcz they dont have the money for it
when israeli soldiers searched the Mokata'a building in Rammalah they found documents that arafat signed himslef to give money to suicide bombers, explosives and some bio. warfare util.
they also found an underground hidden room which held more than 200 anti tank missles which were not allowed to b held by the Oslo agreements
and all of this- under arafats nose- now tell me he wants peace
do u have any idea how hard the "right wing" works to get the sides to talk?! he sent our defence minster and our foregin minister to talk with high ppl from the pales. authority |
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| zzleeper |
Thinking that one side is the guilty is a mistake. Thinking that each side acts "together" (that is, that we can generalise israely and palestinian actions and attitudes) is another mistake.
Both palestinians and israelis have elements (groups, factions) that IMO don't want peace, but war. It is hard to identify them, but I can point at Hamas and maybe to some elemements of the israely extreme-right.
So what has happened it's not fault of any side entirely, there are guilty ones at both sides. And beware of news, they can be manipulated in many ways by both sides (YES, BOTH sides).
Edit: " I can't point " --> " I can point "
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| NyKoN |
| quote: | Originally posted by zzleeper
Thinking that one side is the guilty is a mistake. Thinking that each side acts "together" is another mistake.
Both palestinians and israelis have elements (groups, factions) that IMO don't want peace, but war. It is hard to identify them, but I can't point at Hamas and maybe to some elemements of the israely extreme-right.
So what has happened it's not fault of any side entirely, there are guilty ones at both sides. And beware of news, they can be manipulated in many ways by both sides (YES, BOTH sides). |
i dont say that we dont have nothing to do with this
we have some to blame for
but the hamas org. has been listed in the US's list of terror orgs. and i think that means something.. dont u? |
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| Nadi |
| Of course arefat wants the bombing, he funds it. As long as that dumbass is in power peace wont ever come about. Oh, and the palestinans do want peace, as soon as there arn't any more israleis living in israel :whip: Why can't we all get along? :conf: :conf: |
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| DjChook |
actually i'm kind of sick of all these MIDDLE-EAST-CRICES (or whatever)
anyway... I think the history lesson is over already guys.
Stop talking about who started, stop blaming leaders and nations, just S-T-O-P
We need to work out a solution here... but the only thing that is bothering me is u... yes guys, U !
Here we are a bunch of israeli guys from all kinds of places in israel, all the ages, and there u r, waving with your stupid facts that u read / hear / listen on the news....
IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY
And that is the msg i want to deliver to u guys...
Come live in israel... U know what, don't, Speak to all the ppl in israel
U will c fear... u'll c democratic ppl who all they want is to put this problem to an end...
And then move accross to all the palastinians, Speak to 12,13,17,30 and so on, ppl, they all care for one thing: KILL ISRAELIS.
Now i think that in the western socaiety that we built for half a century here in israel, things like this shouldn't happen !
All i'm saying is, stop talking like u know something. stop attacking Israel, stop thinking that The palastinians are the conqured and mizzrible ppl. Start thinking about the whole picture.
That is all i have to say |
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| fastmp3 |
| and i say CLOSE THIS THREAD , enough is enough :whip: |
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| Nadi |
| Chook, to be perfectly honest I cant fully comprehend what you guys have been through, however I do here that theres been a bombing sometimes and run to the phone to call all my relatives, I'm sure its much worse for you there, and I hope there is a solution, but do you think there can be peace w/ arefat still in power? Personally I dont |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by NyKoN
we dont just kill civilians
if someone dies there its for a reason |
eh? wtf. wanker!! :whip: ur clearly just like the rest of em. who are u to say who dies and who dont. uve really pissed me off here. |
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| zzleeper |
Maybe u re right..
Anyway, i m sure that if u or me would have grow up in the [inhuman] conditions most palestinians have, it's pretty probable we may have ended thinking the way you say palestinians think.
Think about that fact and you'll see that the sustainable solution lies in giving the palestinians more conditions of development... if they live in a place where they canīt see a future, their desesperation may lead to stupid things like bombing themselfs up in behalf of some dumb ideology.
I know it's very hard to "try to help" the one's that bomb you, but the solution may lie there.
(I hope I made my point, my english is kinda oxidated) |
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| zzleeper |
| quote: | Originally posted by NyKoN
we dont just kill civilians
if someone dies there its for a reason |
Don't be so sure... |
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| NyKoN |
WTF?!
its not what i mean
there is NO israeli soldier that just goes around in a town shooting ppl
this isnt Iraq's army where u do wtf u want and get off from it
if u do this kind of things u get jail time and serious jail time and serious conditions for ur release
ppl who die there ARE TERRORISTS period!
they are responsible for the deaths of 100's of innocent israeli civilians
but when u fight in a civilian area deaths of innocent ppl do happen
this is what war brings with it- war doesnt end with no one dying some ppl wanna go through the crossfire just to die as a "shahid" and for the sake of it- i dont know y they do it...
we r a democratic country we have an army thats in order and isnt a whore house- we have rules of opening fire
and we keep them |
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