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Vatican told Irish bishops to NOT report child abuse cases to Police (pg. 3)
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| ModernNosferatu |
If there wasn't such a determined celibacy God law amongst Eastern Catholics then there lust wouldn't not build to the point of molestation.
Celibacy has not always been required of priests. Defenders of celibacy rely heavily on Matthew 19:12, where Jesus is quoted as saying that "...they have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept this." Here, "eunuchs" is interpreted to be a reference renouncing marriage and being celibate, but if Jesus placed such a high value on celibacy, why were most if not all of his apostles married? It's implausible that unmarried followers could not be found, so it's implausible that celibacy was required.
Over time, rules about sexual abstinence grew from a belief that sexual intercourse makes a person "unclean," based largely on the belief that women are less pure than men and hence constitute a form of ritual contamination. Attitudes about ritual cleanliness have played an important role in religious violence generally; attitudes about the inferiority of women have been important in violence towards them. In fact, the continued existence of an all-male, celibate priesthood cannot be divorced from an accompanying view of women as less moral and less worthy than men.
source:http://atheism.about.com/od/romanca.../a/celibacy.htm |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
If there wasn't such a determined celibacy God law amongst Eastern Catholics then there lust wouldn't not build to the point of molestation. |
This is a bull statement. Molestation (or any form of sexual assult) has little or nothing to do with the desire for sex. A pedophile does not rape children because he's not getting it elsewhere. I would argue that it's more probable that if the amount of pedophiles in the priesthood is disproportionate to the general population (I'm not certain that it is, as there is a scarcity of reliable data in this regard) it is a result of persons predisposed to pedophilia being drawn to the priesthood; as opposed to the priesthood turning people into pedophiles. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
This is a bull statement. Molestation (or any form of sexual assult) has little or nothing to do with the desire for sex. A pedophile does not rape children because he's not getting it elsewhere. I would argue that it's more probable that if the amount of pedophiles in the priesthood is disproportionate to the general population (I'm not certain that it is, as there is a scarcity of reliable data in this regard) it is a result of persons predisposed to pedophilia being drawn to the priesthood; as opposed to the priesthood turning people into pedophiles. |
some dude on another forum once provided me a study that showed the rates of child-fingering were lower in the priesthood than general population. but i agree, its retarded to think that an absence of sex transforms someone into a child-fingerer, or that the rules against copulation are somehow more powerful than the rules against kiddy-diddling. surely its more likely that a priest would find other ways of release if abstinence was the real issue here.
i suspect you are right; child lovers are drawn to the priesthood the same way they're drawn to being highschool football coaches, bird photographers or Arma 2 modders. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
some dude on another forum once provided me a study that showed the rates of child-fingering were lower in the priesthood than general population. |
I'd be interested in seeing that; however, I'm pretty cynical on the reliability of any such study sight unseen (just seems that those who have the data aren't exactly open to sharing it).
| quote: | | i suspect you are right; child lovers are drawn to the priesthood the same way they're drawn to being highschool football coaches, bird photographers or Arma 2 modders. |
I presume it's probably a mix... some are drawn to it because it provides access to children; however, I suspect others are drawn to it because they believe the celibacy vow and devoting themselves to God will help them control their desires (note; the later group are likely to have grown up in the church, probably in families with a rather strong faith). |
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
You know, sometimes I wish I was cynical enough in my teens to go to church despite my faithlessness. The sex stories are the best! It's like kids there are primed by Catholic guilt to pray like sinners and then bonk like rabbits so they can go back to praying like sinners and the pressure builds up so they wind up fornicating like wild beasts again... and the girls were all well buff! |
I found that teens love to fornicate like wild beasts even without the the catholic guilt. The only thing that catholic girls have over the general sluts is the uniform, but thats easily counterbalanced with other teens wearing every other kind of kinky clothing during their "OMG sex is so much fun, lets have tons of it" discovery. |
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| ModernNosferatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
This is a bull statement. Molestation (or any form of sexual assult) has little or nothing to do with the desire for sex. A pedophile does not rape children because he's not getting it elsewhere. I would argue that it's more probable that if the amount of pedophiles in the priesthood is disproportionate to the general population (I'm not certain that it is, as there is a scarcity of reliable data in this regard) it is a result of persons predisposed to pedophilia being drawn to the priesthood; as opposed to the priesthood turning people into pedophiles. |
So if a person is predisposed to being a pedophile why on Earth would he be drawn to priesthood?? Of course there are more pedophiles in population than in the priesthood because the general population there are far greater in numbers than priesthood.
You think a predisposed person joins priesthood thinking it will correct the inner pedophile in him BUT then instead of doing his so called 'Gods' work he just continues to molest thinking he won't get caught?
Most professional predisposed pedophiles work as teachers, tutors, Boy Scout Authorities, youth programmers like the YMCA, and coaches of little league sports because that is were the children are at. So, for sake of analyzing it if you are predisposed to being a pedophile then why would you choose a profession that you deal with less children?
Note: I am talking about Professional pedophile here....people who choose a profession that will make it easier to molest children. Not you average guy in a cargo van with some duct tape. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
So if a person is predisposed to being a pedophile why on Earth would he be drawn to priesthood?? |
To fight the urge? Makes sense to me :conf: |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| If I was diddling little boys I wouldn't report it either |
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| ModernNosferatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
To fight the urge? Makes sense to me :conf: |
That is the only logical explanation to why a predisposed pedophile would join priesthood to repent and what nots...I'm sure there are a few that have done this but I was being sarcastic as it is not likely and probably doesn't make up even 1% of all molesters that are Priest and Bishops and other members of the church. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
So if a person is predisposed to being a pedophile why on Earth would he be drawn to priesthood?? |
see two posts up from yours
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I presume it's probably a mix... some are drawn to it because it provides access to children; however, I suspect others are drawn to it because they believe the celibacy vow and devoting themselves to God will help them control their desires (note; the later group are likely to have grown up in the church, probably in families with a rather strong faith). |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ModernNosferatu
That is the only logical explanation to why a predisposed pedophile would join priesthood to repent and what nots...I'm sure there are a few that have done this but I was being sarcastic as it is not likely and probably doesn't make up even 1% of all molesters that are Priest and Bishops and other members of the church. |
I would suggest to you that the numbers are much higher. Otherwise pious persons who find their desires in conflict with their faith have often turned to the disipline of religious vocations in an effort to overcome their "weaknesses." |
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| ModernNosferatu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
see two posts up from yours |
Ahh....so it goes back to being protected by the Church and laws of God and your fellow high members of the Church members protecting you. But, the stories still get leaked out but what your trying to show me is that they just pay large amounts of cash and do no prison time?
If this is so then that changes everything but I still don't understand how you mix faith with foundling kids.
Does anyone know if more male children being molested as compared to female children? |
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