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Crash With Extra Long Decay (pg. 2)
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| DayTrader |
| quote: | Originally posted by sako487
umm, delay |
Hi, thanks for the reply. Can you explain briefly how I can use delay to get the crash to sound like the song I linked to? When I apply delay, it creates not a constant decay but rather multiple "hits" as it decays. Thanks! :) |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DayTrader
Hi, thanks for the reply. Can you explain briefly how I can use delay to get the crash to sound like the song I linked to? When I apply delay, it creates not a constant decay but rather multiple "hits" as it decays. Thanks! :) |
He's saying that the crash in the opening bar of the song you posted has a substantial and obvious delay on it. You're not hearing a long decay - you're hearing it repeat on each beat in the first bar or so, with each repeat alternating left and right. |
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| DayTrader |
| Ok now that you mention it I can sort of hear the delay. It's a delay with time set to 4 steps, right? The reason I was having trouble with this was because when I applied delay, I had it set to 3 steps, and the delays were obvious, but it seems because he has his time set to 4 steps, the kick drum is masking the "peaks" caused by each delay, and so to me it sounded like one long decay. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by DayTrader
Ok now that you mention it I can sort of hear the delay. It's a delay with time set to 4 steps, right? |
Yeah, that sounds exactly like what I'm hearing - the delay is on quarter notes. |
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| alanzo |
You can use this one I created if you like... it's synced to 138 BPM.
http://www.alanmarcero.com/crash.zip
I made it using a combo of two tracks, one with a sidechained reverb and delay, both at a mix of 100, and another of the crash it self. That way you get the crash (un-sidechained) in the very beginning, and then get the reverb/delay tail sidechained. |
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| Richard Butler |
I often simply time stretch.
Reverb gives me a better long decay than delay as reverb is essentialy very closely packed individual reflections (echoes).
I set up the verb so it has a long tail and the right tone. Then to save CPU I convert this to an audio file. |
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| DayTrader |
| quote: | Originally posted by alanzo
You can use this one I created if you like... it's synced to 138 BPM.
http://www.alanmarcero.com/crash.zip
I made it using a combo of two tracks, one with a sidechained reverb and delay, both at a mix of 100, and another of the crash it self. That way you get the crash (un-sidechained) in the very beginning, and then get the reverb/delay tail sidechained. |
Cool thanks for this! |
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| DayTrader |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I often simply time stretch.
Reverb gives me a better long decay than delay as reverb is essentialy very closely packed individual reflections (echoes).
I set up the verb so it has a long tail and the right tone. Then to save CPU I convert this to an audio file. |
Yea, I'm also thinking reverb is what i need for the very reason you stated, but I cannot seem to get the tone correct. i'll keep pluggin away at it. |
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| Raphie |
ok, let me explain how its done to perfection (though it's a dreaded effect)
take any crash cymbal from which you like the sound
take a DELAY and sync the tempo to your sidechain (most of the times 1/4th but 1/8dotted works nice as well)
now pay close attention > Delay settings:
before the cymbal both mix and gain from the cymbal should be near 0
at the hit you increase the gain to 100% (everlasting) and have the mix ramp from 0 to around 80% as an envelope to make a smooth blend after the initial crash hit.
Now the verb, take a bright plate with long decay (2secs or so)
again when the crash comes the verb is at the wet level you like (probably somewhere around 20 <> 30%) when you want the crash to start fading you increase the wet level towards 100% IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME
you mirror that by decreasing the Delay gain back to 0% (so really an opposite fade of what you just did with the verb)
as icing on the cake u can also EQ the channel with a high pass that also starts going up in the same part where you increase the verb and decrease the delay gain.
experiment with levels that work for you (each delay and verb is different) but this should get you started.
you can also do this with hihat loops (bahhh i hate loops) and sidechain the result, instant Anjuna trance |
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| cryophonik |
Another way to do it is to just make several copies of the crash clip and place them on another track(s) at quarter-note (or whatever time-step you want) intervals. Then just either automate the volume on each track to fade the subsequent echoes, or reduce the gain on each successive clip. To get the ping-pong delay effect, you can either place them on individual tracks, pan them L/R, and alternate the instances of each clip, or just put them on one track and alternate the panning using automation.
I use this approach when I'm creating vocal echoes and want just one word or phrase to repeat with some cool effects on it. I find that it gives me a lot more control over exactly how the echoes sound and I find that it's easier to get the results I want when layering effects over them, filtering them, or sidechaining them, than it is to let the delay plugin do it for you. YMMV, of course. |
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| Raphie |
| true, the trick with getting delays "sync 'n sync" is to automate the levels at the right point and to get the right feel. copying words is than sometmesw easier indeed. |
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| DayTrader |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
ok, let me explain how its done to perfection (though it's a dreaded effect)
take any crash cymbal from which you like the sound
take a DELAY and sync the tempo to your sidechain (most of the times 1/4th but 1/8dotted works nice as well)
now pay close attention > Delay settings:
before the cymbal both mix and gain from the cymbal should be near 0
at the hit you increase the gain to 100% (everlasting) and have the mix ramp from 0 to around 80% as an envelope to make a smooth blend after the initial crash hit.
Now the verb, take a bright plate with long decay (2secs or so)
again when the crash comes the verb is at the wet level you like (probably somewhere around 20 <> 30%) when you want the crash to start fading you increase the wet level towards 100% IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME
you mirror that by decreasing the Delay gain back to 0% (so really an opposite fade of what you just did with the verb)
as icing on the cake u can also EQ the channel with a high pass that also starts going up in the same part where you increase the verb and decrease the delay gain.
experiment with levels that work for you (each delay and verb is different) but this should get you started.
you can also do this with hihat loops (bahhh i hate loops) and sidechain the result, instant Anjuna trance |
I'm going to have to chew on this a little bit to understand exactly what you're describing, but I think I'll get it. Thanks for this info! |
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