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Help regarding black culture (academics welcome) (pg. 2)
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
i think 'black people' is far too heterogeneous and vaguely defined a collection of people to study, which makes the premise inherently racist.
with such a broad group of different people, there could be any number of other circumstances or factors that account for differences in perception of status change.
there is nothing different here than the premise of writing a paper about trying to prove that 'black people like fried chicken' more than other groups of people. |
In that case, all it means is that he's making this hard on himself (by not narrowing the focus), not that it's an inherently racist premise. As long as he intends (as he seems to plan on doing) to research this sufficiently to either prove or disprove his hypothesis, I fail to see the problem with making an evaluation of a large group of people. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
No, it's not, if it can be proven. If he can prove that this undesirable characteristic is more prevalent in black families than others, should he refrain from writing the paper? Are we going to bar research that may lead to findings that are of interest to racists? I find that more offensive than the aforementioned claims, even if false. |
Thing is, I didn't actually say anything about undesirable characteristics. You assumed I meant that one was superior to the other, which is exactly what I want to avoid. I'm merely trying to point out a difference, rather than judge. |
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| igottaknow |
| You could search Amazon for book ideas. Henry Louis Gates is well known for african american studies. A more accurate descriptive term would be "hip-hop pop culture" or "urban black street culture". Black culture is too broad of a term and will get you in trouble. You would do well to make a distinction between what you see in music videos verses real life. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
Thing is, I didn't actually say anything about undesirable characteristics. You assumed I meant that one was superior to the other, which is exactly what I want to avoid. I'm merely trying to point out a difference, rather than judge. |
If he felt that placing great importance on social 'status' symbols was a positive trait, he wouldn't be taking offense to your premise and callet an exercise in racism. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
A more accurate descriptive term would be "hip-hop pop culture" or "urban black street culture". Black culture is too broad of a term and will get you in trouble. |
Ffs. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by shaw
Read the thread. |
NO U! |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Domesticated
That's a horrible way to do things, because it inherently makes readers think that you're hiding latent racism by mentioning a subculture so heavily related to the black community, rather than actually coming out and saying what you mean. I want to be clearer than that. |
but i thought you said it wasn't racist? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Egads, n- not - not RACISM! Anything but that!
Step off it. It's ing racism. It is. There exist differences between people. He's not drumming up some manifesto on how we should stamp out some culture or another, but attempting to research if there exists any data to support one of the many whys of how human groups came to differ in the first place. |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
but i thought you said it wasn't racist? |
It's not. Employing euphemisms leads people to think you've got something to hide. While my idea does seem to deal primarily with hip-hop culture, I want to understand how hip-hop culture got this way. That is, whether it's just an amplification of a subtler element of wider black culture, or whether it was spawned some other way. |
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| Boomer187 |
You will end up with a confounding factor, Socio Economic Status. It will boil down to that. If you find difference in ethnicity while controlling for SES, then you got something.
Til then, you are dressing up your poop in a prom dress and calling it a date. |
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| shaw |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
Til then, you are dressing up your poop in a prom dress and calling it a date. |
This is an option? . |
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| Adam420 |
If anything you should focus on black people (African American) putting more emphasis on displaying the fact that they've attained a high(er) social status by using physical objects of high value to do so.
But even then I don't think you'd be right in saying that this is an African American phenomenon. |
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