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Three things I don't like about the dance music industry (pg. 2)
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| srussell0018 |
Was that an entire post without using the word "troll?"
The EDM producers are just trolling you dude. Don't sweat it. |
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| Chimney |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
Probably about 150-200. |
And you keep tabs on all of them?
Yea, you're right with the post, but it's all been discussed before. Nothing new. |
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| Bierheld |
Maybe you're too focussed on following certain scenes and producers around and naturally becoming disappointed by the fact they're not innovating any more. You need to explore a bit more, listen to thousands of producers. Be open minded and find sounds you can identify with more naturally. That way you can make it interesting for yourself.
You can thank me later. :rolleyes: |
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| sg_57 |
I think that the OP has a fair point and some merit, even if some are going to argue it on technicalities (death by a thousand posts) in order to avoid the central argument it presents.
Technology.
Means of production have made it so incredibly easy that anyone can release anything. Volume of product released has probably grown ten-fold.
With expert knowledge systems at anyone's fingertips, no need for musicians, or any in-depth knowledge of chords, progressions, songwriting, arrangement, and more.
While this has happened in the short span of last 30 years since Linn Electronics mass-marketed their first drum machine, the other side of the coin is:
The Human Brain
It hasn't significantly grown in its capacity to absorb knowledge, and deal with this onslaught of cheap tracks without substance.
Solution:
Hire professional human filters to do this for you. They will listen to 200 tracks a day so that you don't have to.
There's definitely a large quantity of outstanding music out there in all genres, the problem is just to find it.
Another point that can be argued is that regardless of style, audiences have grown used to ubiquitous music being everywhere, all the time, and it does not trigger the same sort of emotional response than it might have when it was scarce and 'precious' ? And many music makers are not as motivated to create for such jaded audiences anymore as they may have been when the connection was far deeper? (Aphex Twin where are thou?)
No answers except that if it's painful do consider living in a remote cave, desert island or join a monastery.
There really is tons of quality stuff out there, even if it means revisiting old things we never got around to listen to. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by osterzone
Probably about 150-200. |
with all due respect, you should really dig deeper yet!
sg_57 is right though - technology allows people to quickly and easily make 'passable' 'music' and it gets released rather easily.
Besides the overabundance of user friendly technology (not to mention widespread pirating of software and synthesizers, etc), the other problem is a lack of vision from A&R and this also follows IMO from the disappearance/dissolution of local scenes. Everyone is just looking at what everyone else is doing.
A ton of people are only making tracks because they want more dj bookings or bigger fees.
Everyone wants instantaneous success and gratification. And everyone wants to be cool, so everyone jerks everyone else off.
As others have said, it appears in many scenes (any kid can pick up a cheap guitar, etc). But I think generally electronic music is more hospitable to mediocrity. |
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| srussell0018 |
| Dig deeper than the Beatport top 100 and stfu I believe is the consensus? |
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| A.B |
To echo the sentiments of the op....
Greed.
The super-ego.
People claiming to have more knowledge than they actually do.
An overwhelming amount of brainwashed wits going to see "the big DJ's" coz it's cool. They don't have a clue what kind of music the truly like. They follow the rest of the sheep.
The digital medium....cd's, laptops etc. What has actually got better in the industry since???
The one thing above all else is the ing spamming and self adoring bio's written in a third person perspective - ing cringeworthy and idiotic.
EDIT: And why so serious?? |
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| sg_57 |
| quote: | | Originally posted by nefardec But I think generally electronic music is more hospitable to mediocrity. |
You mustn't have spent much time around recent Hip-Hop, or the shell of its former self.
I personally think that these traits associating mediocrity and technological progress are really universal. Mike Judge's movie will probably turn out to have been really prescient in that sense. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by sg_57
You mustn't have spent much time around recent Hip-Hop, or the shell of its former self.
I personally think that these traits associating mediocrity and technological progress are really universal. Mike Judge's movie will probably turn out to have been really prescient in that sense. |
hip hop isn't electronic? |
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| sg_57 |
| quote: | | Originally posted by nefardec hip hop isn't electronic? |
Let's not split hairs. I'll agree to anything you say (with regards to this particular post) |
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| basilisk |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Sounds like someone's not looking hard enough. |
+1.
It has always been this way. It will always be this way. Keep digging. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by sg_57
Let's not split hairs. I'll agree to anything you say (with regards to this particular post) |
not splitting hairs, i was talking about the means of production, not the name of a genre. big difference. and the means of production of hip hop, the technology and the way a lot of people procure it (pirating) is quite the same as a lot of 4/4 electronic dance stuff.
it basically comes down to cheap people making cheap beats for cheap people. |
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