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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capo di tutti
Can't compare US to Canada...at all, and before you think I am using that statement to favor either nation you're wrong...we are just not the same. |
I agree, and I never said (seriously at least) that either country was better than the other. |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Are you retarded? Do you remember 9/11? 3,000+ Americans murdered, all orchestrated by the Taliban... |
Since when does Bin Laden = Taliban?
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I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but seriously.....the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11.... |
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| thesauce23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capo di tutti
Can't compare US to Canada..we are just not the same. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Since when does Bin Laden = Taliban?
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I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but seriously.....the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11.... |
I'm sorry, I misspoke. Bin Laden was/is the leader of al-Qaeda, which was being sheltered by the Taliban government in Afghanistan. It is kind of splitting hairs saying that the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11. They weren't directly involved with it, but they were definitely sheltering those who were. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
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See, things like that is what gives Americans a bad name. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Since when does Bin Laden = Taliban?
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I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but seriously.....the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11.... |
Pardon my ignorance but isn't Bin Laden a senior member??
And Russell...
If you really think that the Iraqi invasion was to bring them democracy, well thats a little US brainwashing right there...
There were two reasons for invading Iraq...
First was only a business venture by Haliburton and second was a present for daddy Bush...
Afghanistan should've been nuked as far as I'm concerned along with half the damn region...
But like I said in the other thread, I'm now digressing cause I don't feel like arguing about this bull for a 15th time... |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
If you really think that the Iraqi invasion was to bring them democracy, well thats a little US brainwashing right there...
There were two reasons for invading Iraq...
First was only a business venture by Haliburton and second was a present for daddy Bush...
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I don't think the Iraqi invasion was to bring them democracy, but one could make the case that the American presence in primarily Muslim countries under dictatorial rule could have had an indirect influence on the current state of many of these countries fighting for their own democracy.
I do agree with the points you made, but deposing Saddam was long overdue. If he had the resources/manpower, he could have easily been the next Hitler. He often spoke of Iraq as a mighty nation with the power to conquer all of its adversaries. That, along with the borderline genocide of the Kurds in Iraq, and his previous invasion of Kuwait, it was very clear that something needed to be done.
I'm not saying a full-on invasion of Iraq was justified, all I'm saying is that it does seem as if some good has come out of it. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Are you retarded? Do you remember 9/11? 3,000+ Americans murdered, all orchestrated by the Taliban, who was being sheltered by the Afghani "government." If you don't think that's justified then you must not think WWII was justified either. |
Ah here we go with the typical 911 excuse.. Here is homework for you. Go and read the list of the hijackers and their country of origin. You will soon then realize that you went after the wrong country.
| quote: | | Don't answer that first question, I already know the answer. Look at the region too, Liberia, Egypt, etc. All muslim countries, and all currently fighting for democracy. Maybe the war didn't directly influence these, but it's clear that these countries want democracy, and the United States showing that they are willing to back countries like Iraq and Afghanistan in their desire for a democratic government has aided in their will to fight for it. |
Hmm how about you find me proof that these people are dying to get the Americans version of Democracy in their own counties and then we'll talk. It is clear that you haven’t really travelled much (not surprising) but perhaps you should because you logic on the Middle East politics is upside down.
| quote: | | I don't even know why I'm arguing with you because you clearly don't know anything about what you're talking about. |
Good one.
| quote: | | Oh, and if it wasn't justified, then why did your government send 3,000 of its troops to fight there? ing moron. |
oh oh look you got me there alright.:rolleyes: Unfortunately we are one of your nations allies and I can’t change that you ing troll. |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Ah here we go with the typical 911 excuse.. Here is homework for you. Go and read the list of the hijackers and their country of origin. You will soon then realize that you went after the wrong country. |
Yes, because where they were born has much to do with their involvement in al-Qaeda, which was centered in Afghanistan. You seem to conveniently forget the fact that the entire plan for 9/11 was orchestrated by Osama bin Laden, who is the leader of al-Qaeda, and was being sheltered in....drumroll...AFGHANISTAN. bin Laden is even from Saudi Arabia, but they took away his citizenship and he was even disowned by his Saudi family due to his radical practices. Nice work detective dip.
| quote: | | Hmm how about you find me proof that these people are dying to get the Americans version of Democracy in their own counties and then we'll talk. It is clear that you haven’t really travelled much (not surprising) but perhaps you should because you logic on the Middle East politics is upside down. |
Nice strategy. Argument ad hominem I believe? Way to draw conclusions on me based on nothing at all. I'm sure I've done more traveling in my 23 years on this earth than you will in your lifetime. Also, please proof-read your babbling before you post it. It just makes you look even dumber than what you're trying to say does.
| quote: | | oh oh look you got me there alright.:rolleyes: Unfortunately we are one of your nations allies and I can’t change that you ing troll. |
Quite a compelling set of statements you so eloquently put together there. I find this all the more funny, as a fellow TA who happens to be from your country just sent me a PM saying that you should be deported for all the moronic nonsense you spew on here :haha: |
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
I'm sorry, I misspoke. Bin Laden was/is the leader of al-Qaeda, which was being sheltered by the Taliban government in Afghanistan. It is kind of splitting hairs saying that the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11. They weren't directly involved with it, but they were definitely sheltering those who were. |
| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Pardon my ignorance but isn't Bin Laden a senior member??
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No worries, just pointing it out. But yeah, Al-Qaeda are the ones who orchestrated and carried out September 9/11, which is the terrorist group Bin Laden leads. After the attack he sought protection in Afghanistan, because he considered the Sharia Law practiced by the Taliban there to be true Islam ,and he knew they would never allow him to be extradited to a non Muslim country, especially the USA. |
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| thesauce23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
See, things like that is what gives Americans a bad name. |
a) i kid, i kid
b) i'm not sure how long u have visited TOTA but they never seem to stop hating on USA for one reason or another. ur arguments are in vain b/c even if u get ur point across, the resentment against the US is and probably will be apparent in TOTA. so i troll from time to time- need a break in between writing papers, nomsayin? |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
b) i'm not sure how long u have visited TOTA but they never seem to stop hating on USA for one reason or another. ur arguments are in vain b/c even if u get ur point across, the resentment against the US is and probably will be apparent in TOTA. |
Indeed. |
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