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Which Drum VSTi would you commend? (pg. 2)
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
DAVE, RULZ and LUCIDITY - I had not considered macshine as I thought (from memory) it was v expensive, like £500, which I cannot spend on just drums as my missus would find out! Plus is that not going to give me the usual hardware latency problem, which I don;t mind too much with synths, but with drums - when timing is vital, I thought it would be a pain. HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THIS - DO YOU HAVE TO CONVERT THE MIDI TRIGGERING THE MASCHINE, INTO AUDIO AND MAKE A COMMITMENT AS IT WERE?
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Maschine is definitely more expensive. But, hardware (round-trip) latency is not an issue because the Maschine engine is entirely software-based, just like any other plugin. The hardware portion of Maschine is "just" a dedicated controller. I put "just" in quotations marks because it's so incredibly integrated with the software that it feels and functions almost like a self-enclosed hardware unit. But, the point is, the processing is all handled within your computer by the Maschine plugin and you cannot run Maschine without the software.
Regarding Battery, yes you can preview sample while it's running, as long as you've imported them into its library (very easy to do). NI doesn't bring out new sample libraries for it very often, but a lot of third-party developers will create Battery 3 presets for their libraries. Personally, I never use its presets and, while the Battery 3 factory library is pretty big, it's also very diverse and spread out over many different genres, including rock, pop, jazz, hip-hop, country, electronica, etc. NI does offer a few electronica libraries for it as well (e.g., Synthetic Drums 1 & 2). The factory samples sound good and most of the preset kits contain multi-layered pads, but you're better off importing and tagging your own samples and building your own custom kits on a per-song basis, particularly for EDM tracks IMO. |
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| DJ RANN |
As Dave said, yes you can keep samples running and audio things at the same time. You just have the 4 beat midi loop going and browse for new samples through the built in browser by clicking them.
I never bothered with the NI samples - i've got so many drum samples from over the years I just use them or get new sample and shove them on to my samples drive. |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| You should check out Nerve from xfer records. I really like it. I own battery 3 but didn't enjoy using it to the extent that I uninstalled it. I really like Nerve though. It's easy to use and you can do everything really fast. |
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| rulzz |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
You should check out Nerve from xfer records. I really like it. I own battery 3 but didn't enjoy using it to the extent that I uninstalled it. I really like Nerve though. It's easy to use and you can do everything really fast. |
forgot this one, tried the demo when it came out, VERY solid piece !!!!! |
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| J.L. |
| I would just recommend Komplete 7. Battery 3 for about $200 is a bit steep in price, but with komplete 7, you get an insane discount and lots of useful synths and other tools for about $500 |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by J.L.
I would just recommend Komplete 7. Battery 3 for about $200 is a bit steep in price, but with komplete 7, you get an insane discount and lots of useful synths and other tools for about $500 |
Ha, this will make you whince > my music PC from Digital Village came with that pre - installed, but I have a very wierd sensibility when it comes to tidyness, to the exstent that I uninstalled that whole thing without even trying it!
What it is with me, I cannot stand duplication - I would never for example use more than 1 DAW, no matter what the benefits were. When I saw this damned Kore player thing, I just instantly reviled from it - I had my DAW, I did not want another mini DAW as it were.
I tried Giest last night - not for me, way too many options - all I want is a quick way to browse sounds as they play inside the DAW project. I make all my own effects chains and so on and that Giest thing is FOR ME PERSONALLY duplicitous.
Wierd bloke eh! |
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| Raphie |
| METRUM is still the one for me, together with Nepheton & Drumazon & ofcourse cubase included plugs |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
METRUM is still the one for me, together with Nepheton & Drumazon & ofcourse cubase included plugs |
Problem with those is that again they've got built in sequencers which completely negates the point of a sequencer(DAW) and Metrum is really just a kick synth.
I just want a simple drum sampler, but it looks like battery is the best of the bunch. |
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| Raphie |
With Drumazon and Nepheton the sequencers are there so old skool guys like me can program them just like the original hardware units, ofcourse the sequencer can be turned of and u can perfectly trigger them from a piano roll view.
METRUM is a monofonic sampler, with a tone generator, you can trow your own samples in there as well, It's no only a Vengeance kick trigger. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
With Drumazon and Nepheton the sequencers are there so old skool guys like me can program them just like the original hardware units, ofcourse the sequencer can be turned of and u can perfectly trigger them from a piano roll view.
METRUM is a monofonic sampler, with a tone generator, you can trow your own samples in there as well, It's no only a Vengeance kick trigger. |
Well, that's the thing - I actually sometimes use my Electribe via midi to program my drums, so basically I use it as a controller, with the hardware sample pads mapped to the software pads (hence why I want a simple drum sampler program as I already have both the Electrive or Logic to sequence). |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Me again,
WHY I WANT A DRUM MACHINE > I find in Cubase5 browsing sounds in the media tab window to be a slow process - one at a time, then having to take a chance on some sounds, import them, drag each to the cubase drum machine, not good.
I want to lets say have a kick playing and be able to scroll through loads one after the other in the main working window.
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Thats really a huge problem with the Groove Agent One.
You could get around this by opening the Media Bay and dragging each sample into the Groove Agent, BUT stupidly enough they will layer themselves on different velocities.
One way to get around this is to import a library of kicks into the Groove Agent, save them as presets and then using MIDI nudge up and down to find the right sample.
All they needed to add in Cubase 6 was the function to choose next or previous sample on each pad. :whip: |
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| Lolo |
Battery 3 or Stylus RMX for me, because of their synth capabilities, so you could synthesize drums with just a sine sample for ex and layer them with other samples inside the software. And you get those gigantic libraries with them.
RM5 does the same very well apparently.
Geist anyone? It's supposed to be the ultimate, but I have no idea!
or BPM? That seems also very cool! |
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