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Why I think (COR VERSION--->) America is absolutely ****ed (pg. 3)
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Hey, speaking of Fox, you don't like Chris Wallace? That dude leans left quite a bit too. Don't forget Juan Williams and Kirsten Powers are on that channel too. ;) |
I don't think they've ever invoked Godwin's Law for their arguments, though. I've even pointed out that firing Juan Williams was a little too close to Politically Correct thought reform, for me, since he was just being honest about how he felt and wasn't making hate-speech.
I will add, however, Tucker Carlson to my aforementioned -list.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Ok well find me something credible that shows clear evidence of Tea Party racism and religious zealotry being the backbone of the movement. |
It's an under-current most prominently noticed with birther elements. There's also some prevalent xenophobia which I would argue is more racism light than most would care to admit to. |
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| enydo |
| Backbone was not the word to use there. |
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| Zharen |
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ty-on-the-rise/
| quote: | Nearly half of all Americans have an unfavorable view of the tea party movement, putting it in the same company as the Democratic and Republican parties, according to a new national poll.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday indicates that 32 percent of the public has a favorable view of the two year old anti-tax movement, which also calls for less government spending and a more limited role for the federal government in our lives. The 32 percent favorable rating is down five points from December.
Forty-seven percent of people questioned say they have an unfavorable view of the tea party, up four points from December and an increase of 21 points from January 2010. That 47 percent is virtually identical to the 48 percent unfavorable ratings for both the Democratic party and the Republican party in the same poll.
"This is the first time that a CNN poll has shown the tea party's unfavorable ratings as high as those of the two major parties," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "It looks like the rise in the movement's unfavorable rating has come mostly among people who make less than $50,000."
The tea party movement's unfavorable rating rose 15 points since October among lower-income Americans, compared to only five points among those making more than $50,000. Roughly half of all American households have incomes under $50,000, and half make more than that.
"It's possible the drop among lower income Americans is a reaction to the tea party's push for large cuts in government programs that help lower-income Americans, although there are certainly other factors at work," adds Holland.
The tea party was born in early 2009, as a protest movement against the Troubled Asset Relief Program, better known as TARP or the Wall Street bailout, which was implemented by President George W. Bush in the autumn of 2008, and against the federal stimulus plan, officially known as the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, that President Barack Obama passed through Congress in early 2009. The grassroots movement became a player in Republican party politics over the past two years and tea party activists were instrumental in helping the GOP win back control of the House and narrow the Democrats' majority in the Senate in last November's midterm elections.
According to the poll, 46 percent have a favorable view of the Democratic party, with 48 percent saying they see it in a negative light. Forty-four percent of those questioned say they have a favorable view of the Republican party, with 48 percent saying they hold an unfavorable view.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey was conducted March 11-13, with 1,023 people questioned by telephone. The survey's overall sampling error is plus or minus three percentage points. |
Also, when they're out protesting for the Governor of WI to curb collective bargaining rights, then that completely goes against their mantra of smaller government. They've proven themselves to be just as big of hypocrites as their belated republicant bretheren. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zharen
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...ty-on-the-rise/
Also, when they're out protesting for the Governor of WI to curb collective bargaining rights, then that completely goes against their mantra of smaller government. They've proven themselves to be just as big of hypocrites as their belated republicant bretheren. |
Funny that nowhere in that CNN plethora of polling data did they think to mention that Obama had his lowest approval rating of his presidency at 42% yesterday in the Quinnipiac poll- not quite a right leaning outfit. 3 points away from the dreaded 30's, and zing! "Look look everyone hates the Tea Party!" This kind of nonsensical polling "news" is not a reflection of public opinion, it's an attempt to shape it- which is why we have the Tea Party reports but not Obama's falling approval ratings.
Haha I remember when Bush's approval hit a new low of 36% in 2006, and Wolf Blitzer on CNN reported this as the lead story every 15 minutes for 5 hours strait. We don't hear ole Wolf trumpeting that about Obama.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's an under-current most prominently noticed with birther elements. There's also some prevalent xenophobia which I would argue is more racism light than most would care to admit to. |
I would argue the Left can't understand why people would oppose Obama's policies, therefore those who do must be racist by default. What you're saying doesn't make sense; the Tea Party LOVES Allen West, Herman Cain, Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, and a bunch of other new congresspeople of color. It's all about the policies man, not the phantom xenophobia.
You know what's funny? The birth certificate thing originated from one of Hillary's campaign staff members during the 2008 primaries, the same time they released the photo of Obama wearing the muslim garb. Man, even Left wing nutjob Chris Matthews on MSNBC was calling for Obama to release it a couple weeks ago. haha... but whatever, I agree with you that birthers are stupid. |
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| enydo |
Most people I know who supported Obama no longer do. This whole idea of people just being in love with Obama is not at all entirely true at this point, and is basically the same type of "claim" that I was making previously in reference to the Tea Party. You simply cannot deny though that there are people out there who legitimately dislike Obama because he's black, just like I cannot deny that there are people out there who vehemently support him for reasons that have nothing to do with his actual policy making.
I mean, here you're even stating "Oh the left can't see why people would oppose Obama, blah blah" while simultaneously stating earlier in your post that his approval ratings have dropped to prove a point about CNN's faulty reporting. Yeah, they report with the intention of manipulating peoples' opinions, just like every other worthless ing news station in this country. I honestly can't even say much in terms of that as I gave up watching TV quite a while ago. It's not worth it.
This country is drowning while the media continues to make us enemies of each other when we should technically be working towards a common goal. But hey, whatever garners more ratings, right?
(it's late and I can't sleep and that was quite the ramble) |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
It's an under-current most prominently noticed with birther elements. There's also some prevalent xenophobia which I would argue is more racism light than most would care to admit to. |
Well it's a fact that most Republicans are not racist while most racists are Republican. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
I don't think America is ed. It's increasingly becoming a conservative mindset to believe that the US is ed by so-and-so factors, and I mean traditionally conservative, not particularly in line with any party. The fear mongering you might accuse the GOP of is the same you might use yourself to argue against them. You're still playing the us-versus-them game, which is what got us here in the first place, no?
That's not to say that you should be complacent when your bathtub is full of , though. But take responsibility for the fact that you were not stern enough when the opportunity presented itself. And more importantly, move on. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I would argue the Left can't understand why people would oppose Obama's policies, therefore those who do must be racist by default. What you're saying doesn't make sense; the Tea Party LOVES Allen West, Herman Cain, Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, and a bunch of other new congresspeople of color. It's all about the policies man, not the phantom xenophobia.
You know what's funny? The birth certificate thing originated from one of Hillary's campaign staff members during the 2008 primaries, the same time they released the photo of Obama wearing the muslim garb. Man, even Left wing nutjob Chris Matthews on MSNBC was calling for Obama to release it a couple weeks ago. haha... but whatever, I agree with you that birthers are stupid. |
I'm not saying the Tea Party is racist. I'm saying the under-current is there. That doesn't negate that some in the same movement are able to embrace people of other races, but to argue that the Tea Party is a pinnacle of tolerant virtue is quite a stretch. Not that you were. I'm just saying. |
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| srussell0018 |
It's not like it's called the Hypnotq Party....
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zharen
Also, when they're out protesting for the Governor of WI to curb collective bargaining rights, then that completely goes against their mantra of smaller government. They've proven themselves to be just as big of hypocrites as their belated republicant bretheren. |
Thats because the republican party is adopting the tenements of fascism.
They want smaller government, but they want any government to support and back up business.
Their xenophobic racism only lacks the nationalist fervor that actually makes fascism become a force to reckon with.
This country is ed because no one will help anyone else out, ever. Its all for one and one for all, rugged individualism, and that pull yourself up from your bootstraps mentality to the extreme.
Wait till those that can't even get boots find guns (though they already have them).
Conservative or liberal, when the gets bad enough that no one has a job and the only ones who have any money have it from their investments off shore, and the only way to get work is to resort to working for wages only now found in central America, then there will be violence, and lots of it. |
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