Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis
you seem to believe that logic matters. they have to try everything cause common sense do not work on religious people. eventhough muslim women say they want to wear the , its because of fear for their gods or their man, or the society, not at all because they want to. your youtube vid was pretty btw, and proves what i say. "i wear it to be faithfull to my religion", a religion they did not choose themselfs. im not saying banning will work lol, but somethings gotta be done. im gonna grab my popcorn and see whats gonna happen with all of these. :toocool:
Are you seriously that stupid? You believe that discriminating against them even more is going to dissuade the radicals of the bunch from doing any more harm? Again, that doesn't make any sense.
Almost everything we do in our lives is directly related to our socialization. Women wear makeup because they have been socialized to believe they should wear it, not necessarily because they want to. People put on their seat belts because they are told they should, not always because they feel like it. People face the front of the elevator because social norms make you think that's what is appropriate, not because you are particularly interested at looking at the door. To say that people aren't doing these things willingly is absurd.
Yes, they have been taught/convinced/socialized to wear the niqab, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing so willingly. If that is your argument, then freewill doesn't exist.
And why do you think "somethings gotta be done"? Why not just let them wear what they want? It doesn't affect you in any way.
The17sss
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Originally posted by Theresa
That's ridiculous. Most of the women who wear the Niqab (outside of Saudi Arabia etc.) do so willingly. They are not forced to - they WANT to wear it.
Originally posted by Theresa
Wow... what excellent logic. Because the Niqab causes bombings.
Yep... genius.
:rolleyes:
And hoodies dont cause stabbings, but less hoodies menat less crime.
dj_alfi
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Originally posted by Moongoose
And hoodies dont cause stabbings
Yes, they do!
LAdazeNYnights
BURN THE QUR'AN
jester
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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
BURN THE QUR'AN
Do that and people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia go ape .
Moongoose
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Originally posted by LAdazeNYnights
BURN THE QUR'AN
LAdazeNYnights
islam is a religion of peace
discuss
EddieZilker
I am easily offended by people who are offended by easily offended people.
:whip:
Lilith
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Originally posted by Theresa
Yes, they have been taught/convinced/socialized to wear the niqab, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing so willingly. If that is your argument, then freewill doesn't exist.
If your idea of freewill is being ostracised by both your family and considered 'fair game' by the rest of society following an arse backwards medieval religion, you can choose to break your social conditioning and not wear it.
Europe has some real problems with the integration of migrant communities into their society. This is more or less, the sharp end of it that the larger, existing society feels will help them be accepted into the mainstream so they dont get marginalised even more.
On the other side of the coin, you go to the countries that re-brain their population for socio-religious purposes and you're expected to cover up. It isn't actually an ethnic practice in all but a handful of countries, its an adoption of the ultra conservative, cultural practices of a handful of countries.
It is entirely the prerogative of France or any other government to say how their population behaves for whatever reasons they want. If you dont like it, dont go there. But by being a westerner, you can go there and feel perfectly comfortable in another western society.
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Originally posted by Moongoose
And hoodies dont cause stabbings
Yes they do :stongue:
Moongoose
Ok seriously, i meant that the actual piece of clothing itself doesnt cause stabbings (as opposed to the other hoodies who clearly are the cause for stabings). I mean, most of my tops have some sort of a hood and ive never stabber anyone (as far as i can remember, i black out sometimes if i drink to much :) ), though it is true that i never actually wear the hood up :)
Also this by Jimmy Carr comes to mind in relation to hoodies
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"David Cameron said we should hug a hoodie. Why stop there? While you're at it tickle a rapist, wank off a mugger..."
