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turntable/timecode splitting solutions
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| jdat |
after going to a show this weekend where the headlining dj didn't play on account of not being able to get serato to run the timecode vinyl I've seriously been thinking about the whole transition between analog or digital setups...
How best to do it?
Allen & Heath released the Xone PB 350 bucks
which was discussed in the the thread Stu did about inconsiderate djs
Rodec Patchlive 300$
masterkey Digital Patchbay 300/159 euros(seems to be european distributed "only" and I found it on sale)
Magma Digital dj Switch Box 200$
SELECTOR DJ DVS Line Switcher 350$
other alternatives?
what about using Y splitter cables? hum issues may be a problem? :/
the whole digital djing has taken the scene by storm by running it in an easy non complicated way seems to be a long way coming (not taking into account the Xone patchbay which is a god send).
ps: the dj that failed to get the system to run had started unplugging things and never put them back properly. The sound was screwed up for the rest of the evening. Lordy to think I know the organizers and we talked about this after the fact. Should have gone up there during the show and unplugged the unnecessary serato, put everything back in place, and given a proper beatdown to the headliner.
oh how oh how to not intervene when things are sour .... I was at a private concert friday and the sound was also rubbish but the sound guy who I know is extremely defensive and I just did not want to open that can of worms. (He didn't eq ANYTHING, it was all dead center ... talk about not running live sound properly).
sorry for half rant half question :p |
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| UrbanNinja |
| can you use those boxes instead of NI audiodj and run traktor? or serato? |
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| jdat |
| quote: | Originally posted by UrbanNinja
can you use those boxes instead of NI audiodj and run traktor? or serato? |
No these are not soundcards!
They are merely patchbays for digital djing which allow you to switch between soundcards or the decks directly in an easy way without having to access the mixer connectors directly with all the headaches that implies in a live context.
come to think of it, using a regular patchbay would probably be very suitable for this usage and at a cheaper price. |
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| UrbanNinja |
| quote: | Originally posted by jdat
No these are not soundcards!
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oh haha lol |
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| Stu Cox |
There are loads of patch bays around... the difficult thing is persuading clubs to install them.
A lot of the bigger clubs already have them (or something similar), but smaller venues just don't care - they've given you some CDJs and a mixer, now you're on your own.
Of course if they made it easier for us they'd probably end up with less broken kit after heavy-handed DJs have moved everything around 3 times a night.
And even if loads of clubs decided to put them in, DJs can never rely on something like that being installed, so we have to make sure we can deal with it, regardless of what we find when we get to the booth. |
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| Brandt Slater |
I was looking at the Allen & Heath model for interfacing my set up and my DJ partners. He uses Serato and on rare occasions I use Torq (most of the time I'm cd's or thumb drive). But when we use both software's, he uses vinyl control and I use cd control. So the switching of DJ's isn't much of an issue, I dunno maybe I won't need a patch bay.
I think Stu really hit this one on the head. Trying to get club's into this kind of technology is difficult enough. Now you have to deal with DJ's playing nice too without tearing up the booth and plugging things in correctly. |
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| Stu Cox |
If we can get to a point where CDJ-2000s are in nearly all clubs, they could just install a cheap USB hub (or get there early and plug one in yourself before other DJs start ripping the cables out), then you've just got a single cable to swap from one laptop to another and you've got DVS control.
Then if we can persuade someone like Serato/Rane to do a little converter box which takes an audio signal from a 1210 and turns that into an HID signal over USB which laptop software can interpret as DVS, then they can be plugged into the hub as well...
Serato probably wouldn't mind doing that either - their software's free and they make their money from hardware sales, so I doubt they'd mind if they were facilitating Traktor users, as long as they've got some hardware in the chain.
But maybe you might as well just install a Rane SL box.
Actually some of the ballache in setting up DVS could be saved if the manufacturers actually made appropriate cables. You shouldn't need to touch the back of the mixer when setting up DVS with CDJs: there's already a cable going into the back from the CDJ. A little adaptor which you just insert between the cable and the CDJ could take the timecode signal out to your laptop and bring back the replacement audio onto the existing cable - basically 2 right-angle plugs glued back to back.
Doing the same with turntables is a bit harder as they're normally wired in at the deck end. |
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