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Kicks drowning out the actual music at festivals?!?! Who's still mixing sensibly?
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| Mimieux |
Has anyone else noticed kick drum levels are becoming so loud they're now drowning out the rest of the music on the dancefloor!?! It's insane...
This is obviously a bigger problem at indoor events...
1. Are people hearing this same problem?
2. Who do you all think is mixing their kicks too loud, and who's mixing them at the right level? |
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| Raphie |
question should really be, which DJ's don't know how to work the EQ knobs on the PIO mixer.
DJ and PA should cater and accomodate for the music, not the other way around...... |
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| Pagan-za |
Lately I've made friends with one of the locals DJ's and we've been hanging out alot with the intention of getting around to making some music. As a result I've been spending alot of time clubbing with him, and have even got in a few hours dj'ing as well.
Whats been blowing my mind is just how badly some of the kids these days dj. Seems that with all the electronics and software out there, people are lacking the basic skills that made dj'ing so awesome back when I used to do it(late 90's).
These days you can mix anything together with minimal effort. It will still suck, but wont suck as badly as it would if it didnt have beatlocks and pitch bending.
I miss the old days :(
(and the old music) |
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| Seandroid |
This thread is posted here twice, but this is what I said in the other one:
I think part of the cause of this is the overly long tails people keep on their kicks. It's become a strange mission to get as much bass out of the kick as possible.
It's ridiculous. You can't even dance to it when the kick is so long because it kills the groove. It just sounds like BOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOM. There could be toms and hats but you sure as hell can't hear them.
It seems like all they're trying to do is get the teenieboppers with skull candy earbuds to talk about how SIKK THE BASS IS. |
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| Andy28 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
the teenieboppers with skull candy earbuds to talk about how SIKK THE BASS IS. |
lol I heard 2 kids the otherday say the very same thing.
On topic, I think it depends on the genre of music, with hardcore the kicks maybe distorted to hell but the actual kick is very short. |
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| Storyteller |
I consider large outdoor events to be festivals, i'm just saying this to check if i'm on the same page as the OP.
Assuming we are talking about outdoor events it makes kind of sense. High frequency content decays a lot faster over distance than low frequency content. And sound has little surface to reflect on in the open air.
If that's not what was meant then i'd say it's most likely mixdown issues or dj's messing with the eq's. I like having a fairly loud kick myself. Most of my tracks have it. |
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| johncannons1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mimieux
Has anyone else noticed kick drum levels are becoming so loud they're now drowning out the rest of the music on the dancefloor!?! It's insane...
This is obviously a bigger problem at indoor events...
1. Are people hearing this same problem?
2. Who do you all think is mixing their kicks too loud, and who's mixing them at the right level? |
u by any chance talking about ASOT 500 in sydney?
because thats exactly what happened haha |
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| Andy28 |
| So does this have anything to do with how dj's mix or artists make the tracks?.. or is this just down to how the sound system is set up and the environment its in? I can't really relate to the problem, I like pounding kicks but have never noticed it to be so overpowering that it drowns out the rest of the track in any club or event I've been to. |
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| J.L. |
| Festivals and clubs =/= studios |
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| skyhunter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
I think part of the cause of this is the overly long tails people keep on their kicks. It's become a strange mission to get as much bass out of the kick as possible.
It's ridiculous. You can't even dance to it when the kick is so long because it kills the groove. It just sounds like BOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOOMBOOOOOOOOM. There could be toms and hats but you sure as hell can't hear them.
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| Magnus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
It's become a strange mission to get as much bass out of the kick as possible. |
"Strange mission" sums up this issue nicely. I too have noticed kicks getting ridiculous. It reminds me of the loudness war but now sights have been set on who can make the loudest and bassiest death kick to triumph over all others. |
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| skyhunter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnus
"Strange mission" sums up this issue nicely. I too have noticed kicks getting ridiculous. It reminds me of the loudness war but now sights have been set on who can make the loudest and bassiest death kick to triumph over all others. |
And it's not even old skool hardstyle doing this. xD |
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