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New crime bill will require ISPs to give out customer info without court order (pg. 2)
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| goodnet |
Beautiful. Unethical. DANGEROUS.
This is wrong.
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| Bryce Santiago |
| quote: | Originally posted by LKD
oh it can and is. every site you go to tracks your movement too.
but I think it's OK for private corps to track us but not the government...as long as it's not big brother, it's OK! |
Your kidding me? Your telling me that the ISP can actually look DIRECTLY at our desktop? What about Windows Firewall.
If we had word documents on our desktop are you saying they can download them. |
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| DaRoZa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bryce Santiago
Your kidding me? Your telling me that the ISP can actually look DIRECTLY at our desktop? What about Windows Firewall.
If we had word documents on our desktop are you saying they can download them. |
uhhh no that will never happen |
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| daves |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaRoZa
uhhh no that will never happen |
That wont be necessary; as everyone moves towards cloud storage, more and more of our desktop contents will no longer be sitting on a desktop, per se... when our desktop becomes "virtual" and no more than a location on a server out there in the wild (err., I mean secured storage areas of ethical companies' servers) |
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| LKD |
| quote: | Originally posted by daves
That wont be necessary; as everyone moves towards cloud storage, more and more of our desktop contents will no longer be sitting on a desktop, per se... when our desktop becomes "virtual" and no more than a location on a server out there in the wild (err., I mean secured storage areas of ethical companies' servers) |
wait wait wait...you mean all my stuff stored on my web hosting and in dropbox accounts and livespaces and web based emails can be accessed by anyone?
nooooooooooooo |
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| Jayx1 |
| facebook and cloud accounts are brilliant government developments to keep tabs on it's population. Why force the info out of people when you can appeal to the narcissist in them so that they give it up voluntarily? |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bryce Santiago
Would you say that this can ALREADY be done by the ISP today? |
The level of spying (logging) is the question. Some ISPs just don't care, and don't track anything except bandwidth. Some ISPs do deep packet analysis. Some intercept DNS requests, and actually modify what you get in your browser.
IMO ISPs are not logging everything you do on the net. I think there would just be too much data for them, and it would be pointless to try and track ALL of it.
But with this bill, they could track requests; where on the net you go.
Time to buy a server in another country and tunnel all traffic through there.
I hope the ISPs balk at this. It is a huge pain in the ass, and extremely expensive for them. |
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| GGM |
| quote: | Originally posted by daves
That wont be necessary; as everyone moves towards cloud storage, more and more of our desktop contents will no longer be sitting on a desktop, per se... when our desktop becomes "virtual" and no more than a location on a server out there in the wild (err., I mean secured storage areas of ethical companies' servers) |
Yup cloud computing could be a very, very scary thing. I hope it only gets implemented in areas it should be and I HOOOPE people aren't sheepish enough to 1 day forfeit their hard drive for 100% network storage. That's when they can really lay down the law and control what you have/use/do. |
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| StereoPrincess |
well, time to shut this site down.
geez.
or delete all previous posts. |
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| goodnet |
This will open up the doors to a LOT of abuse by government/police. Just you wait!! Guaranteed, this will snowball into a lot of other issues.
Will they ban encrypted/tunneled connections too at the user level? (Basically the equivalent of an officer telling you that you're guilty - because you lock your bedroom when not at home!!)
When it mentions "mounting concern that the legislation would also create new criminal liability for hyperlinking to content that incites hatred and for using anonymous or false names online."
So, I could eventually be obligated to have my identity revealed online at all times?
Will web site owners be obligated to give out their visitor information whenever officials want it?
At what point do government/police stop having the power to spy on you so easily? |
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| Bryce Santiago |
I believe that a lot of people have misguided intentions on who the potential enemies are.
It may not actually be police or government, but some interests behind them...asking them to do certain tasks. Meaning if there is a group of people with enough money or privilege, they can use those advantages over other people. In my view, the government is often the distraction of the real underlying cause.
If I were to create some sort of petition, would you guys be willing to sign it - would this do anything?
Can we as Canadians do anything about it - or is a petition even useless? |
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| Bryce Santiago |
| quote: | Originally posted by goodnet
This will open up the doors to a LOT of abuse by government/police. Just you wait!! |
I completely agree with you. What often is displayed to the public as a 'great thing for safety', could be turned around to be used against them later...as another form of control. The sad thing is that most humans are giving up. Most people just accept it and do as they are told. |
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