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Do illegal downloads mean lower revenue/royalties for the artists? (pg. 2)
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
This thread is a waste of time imo. No offense to the OP.
Its clearly known that artists who solely produce don't make in this industry.
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I disagree. With that attitude everything is a waste of time. You're implying there is no way back to a healthy music industry at all. There is plenty of money to be made in te music industry, otherwise it wouldn't exist. Nobody said it would be easy though.
What I am hoping is that people will recognise that the current state is ridiculous but that changing it is not that hard. Just start with yourself. Think in oppurtunities instead of problems.
Cut the middle man, take business on yourself. And more. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Think in oppurtunities instead of problems.
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QFT. It's so easy to lose sight of that. |
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| Andy28 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Cut the middle man, take business on yourself. And more. |
Alot of people just don't have the time and motivation to do this though. They will just carry on what they are doing now, unless a better solution comes along for them to use with the same minimal effort. |
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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andy28
Alot of people just don't have the time and motivation to do this though. They will just carry on what they are doing now, unless a better solution comes along for them to use with the same minimal effort. |
sounds like a hobby then, and that is just as fine. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
This thread is a waste of time imo. No offense to the OP.
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I agree tbh.
In answer to the original question...
On average across the whole industry: yes, illegal downloads mean lower revenues... kids pirate Lady Gaga's new album rather than buying it on CD. Not that she needs the money, but the fact stands.
In non-mainstream music it's debatable. If you include people handing out DJ demos and unlicensed podcasts, which are technically a form of piracy, then almost certainly yes as well.
People like to say that by pirating music they're doing some good for the world so they can justify it to themselves. In some cases they're right: Mr Storyteller said he buys anything he likes which he might have gained through illegal means, which is certainly better than some... But even then you could argue that if you had NO way of listening to more than a few clips online, you might go into a shop to give more of the CD a listen, from which point you may well be more inclined to buy it - and a CD purchase would give the artist more royalties than downloading the whole album anyway.
The other common one is "I play the music I pirate in my mixes and other people listen and hopefully buy the tracks, so I'm doing some good for the industry!" - these people are lying to themselves.
Long and the short of it: piracy nearly always has a negative effect on an artist's bottom line (or certainly doesn't have a positive one).
The only saving grace is the fact that it CAN help with distribution, artists getting heard more... but I think it's actually very rare for someone to discover an artist through piracy, rather than first hearing about them on the radio / elsewhere on the internet then searching for them. |
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| Andy28 |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
sounds like a hobby then, and that is just as fine. |
For most id imagine it aint their profression, and that a hobby is exactly what it is. |
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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andy28
For most id imagine it aint their profression, and that a hobby is exactly what it is. |
exactly. |
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| cryophonik |
| I don't think this thread is a waste of time by any means. If it was just another, "music industry sucks, piracy sucks" rant thread, then maybe I'd agree, but Storyteller's point really reads more to me like a call for change, empowering yourself to take control of your own destiny, etc. Keep in mind that Storyteller has a pretty substantial resume, so I'd agree with clay and Andy that his message applies more to guys who rely on music for part of their income and/or have a lot material out there, than it does to us hobbyists. |
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| trancedanne |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
another blueman thread. face it, he sucked and therefore didnt make money. |
Every tune he made got played on ASOT and as far as i know ASOT has millions of listeners every week. This just shows how few people who actually buy the music they listen to but its also because the scene is so ridiculously diluted. Make a track and you can find thousands of similar tracks released every week. |
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| pizzaguy |
The person who thinks that you will make money with trance, is stupid. Quess why i moved to do lower tempo (128bpm) "shm" and "david guetta" style music? If you do good track with good hook, it will end up to play everywhere. You will also make some money.
This Duck Sauce - Barbra Streisand song is good example. Man, this plays everywhere. I don't wonder, it has that "huuhuhuhuuuuh" hooky or something. But this mainstream is in, so guys do it, if you want to make money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd8lP4YnQNE |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by pizzaguy
The person who thinks that you will make money with trance, is stupid. Quess why i moved to do lower tempo (128bpm) "shm" and "david guetta" style music? If you do good track with good hook, it will end up to play everywhere. You will also make some money.
This Duck Sauce - Barbra Streisand song is good example. Man, this plays everywhere. I don't wonder, it has that "huuhuhuhuuuuh" hooky or something. But this mainstream is in, so guys do it, if you want to make money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd8lP4YnQNE |
it's almost like that song was big before!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ww-pQynEDI
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any style right now can be popular, it's highly competitive in any field you go for so pick something you actually love and you have more of a chance. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
One of many reasons I'm kind of done posting in here, for the time being. |
Say it aint so!
Back on topic, piracy has, if anything harmed revenue streams, but the upshot is that it has increased exposure and distribution.
There is also a bit of a myth here about the sums invloved.
Even back in the 90's when vinyl was selling by the boatload, popular producers were making money but certainly not millions, and sure as not enough to retire on. Yes, you could make a living from it, but the record industry has always been a place of uncertainty when diversity in terms of revenueis key.
IMO, the record labels have done more to harm the industry than piracy - from utterly stupid and short sighted business manouvres (especially when piracy started to become common): The death of the development deal; The way it hired people for top jobs in the mjor labels( one the five major international labels actually replaced all their top A&R directors with executives from Campbells soup co.); the way that "talent" could not get a record deal without prior tv exposure; the fact they kept sticker prices so high on CD's while artists and consumers got screwed so people stopped buying.....I could go on but I honestly beleive that the major labels have done more harm to the long term prospects of music than piracy ever did.
As for artists like andy blueman - give me a ing break. So he was a big name but he produced instantly displosable trance that connects with a particular demographic inclined to be illegal downloaders (kids in to epic schranz).
Burial does not gig, but yet seems to get on OK. Honestly, you just have to be smart about music. I know producers that make way better money off selling ringtones of their tracks than they do off the tracks themselves. Combine that with the odd TV or film work (see Andy Blueman) and you're going to make money off music, let alone if you gig live or DJ. |
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