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| DJ Robby Rox |
You why u mirin so hard op? lmao
EXCESS: You are the first person I've seen on this forum from NJ. Good to see some locals around here. I'm in dead center NJ by Long Branch/Highlands/Belmar area etc. |
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| EddieZilker |
1. There are literally TONS of free plug-ins and platforms available, yet some people prefer to use cracked software. Why is that? Because the cracked software was specifically developed with maximizing profit, in mind. On average, more thought and work went into programming for-profit software than the average freebee given away at KVR. It stands to reason, then, that people want a more developed product such as that which is made available on warez-sites.
THE MONEY SHOT: When you're using cracked software, you're ing the maker of that software out of money they use to make it so preferable that you had to find a cracked version of it.
2. Justification: It's not as though each cracked version of a piece of software represents the potential for an actual sale, as the people who would pay for their software would still pay for their software and those who couldn't afford to, wouldn't be able to purchase it, anyway. And it's not as though each counterfeit dollar represents the potential for honestly earned wages. Credit card fraud may well be committed by people who would default on paying their bill, otherwise, too. It's not as though identity thieves are capable of providing a paid service that would mitigate the necessity for identity theft.
THE MONEY SHOT: The three examples below the rationalization are the essential model of what happens when a commodity, such as software, is reduced to the status of counterfeit currency. Its value, in the market place, becomes diluted, forcing software producers to lower its price. Before that becomes its own justification, there is a more honest market condition which also functions to lower prices, called demand. Since software is essentially infinitely replicable, software manufacturers may then calculate that they are losing revenue in the face of high demand and lower their costs, thusly.
At its essence, as a commodity, software is intellectual property. When it is freely disseminated, the financial value of that commodity decreases.
3. Justification: But paying for software is expensive (and I'm still too stupid to comprehend the meaning of the first two MONEY SHOTS - I think I need a BUKAKE PEARL NECKLACE to see this through). That's right. While a lot of piracy has succeeded in altering the market place, there's still a lot of software that's expensive.
THE MONEY SHOT: Theft of software has its price and manufacturers are still offsetting that price by making those of us who pay for software, pay that much more for your malfeasance. Fortunately, we actually get what we pay for. For instance, when Cakewalk discontinued Project 5, which I purchased for $200.00, they offered me an upgrade to SONAR 8.5 which sold MSRP for around $600.00 for the non-upgrade version. The upgrade, however, only cost me an additional $200.00, resulting in a savings of $200.00. I've received non-stop tech-support, in spite of having a ty sound-card causing most of the technical issues, and I've got the full fledged product - and when I'm ready to upgrade to SONAR X#, I'll save an additional $250.00.
4. Justification: But I'm just getting started. I have no real idea of who I am, just that I want to sound like Armin, Tiesto, Blueman, Deadmau5, Dirtbox Divas, Laurent Airwave, MSZ, Depeche Mode, Vinyl Groover and the Redhead, et al (No offense intended to any of the aforementioned artists). I don't have any practical experience with music software and there's tons of people out there eclipsing my meager abilities by developing theirs because I'm too lazy to save money. I don't want to have to use Reaper (you still have to pay for it, but they're flexible) or any of the test-drive versions because... how will I know if I'm any good if I don't have a fully functioning version of a major DAW? Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh! Besides, I need to get out there and start promoting myself by making tutorials using pirated software. Well we all have to start out somewhere, don't we?
THE MONEY SHOT: Apart from subtle differences, most DAW's and synth plug-ins operate in very similar fashions. Whether it's a sampler, analogue simulation, or drum synth - the essential principals dictating how one operates are easily applicable to the others, and if you're just getting started, more isn't better. Pirating the Waves Platinum Bundle will absolutely not make you a better producer if you can't figure out how to run a Cockos compressor or EQ.
5. Marginal Rationalization: There's no proof that software companies would be any better off if there was no piracy.
THE MONEY SHOT: Then there is also no proof that they wouldn't be better off. These arguments go both ways.
6. Cheap Conjecture: Software piracy helps to market software to eventual buyers.
THE MONEY SHOT: Car companies must then be similarly assisted by car theft. Credit card companies, by credit theft. Bottom line is that this is also, in no way, provable. If it can't be counted, then it can't be counted in the loss column for deferred revenue. If it can't be counted in the loss column then IT DOESN'T COUNT!
7. Jaw Dropping Stupidity: It's not fair that they earn so much money for just copying a program.
THE MONEY SHOT: Wow!! You're dumb. Just ing dumb. You must have been raised by a wild pack of televisions, you're so dumb. It's going to be difficult to put this in words you can understand, so I'm not even going to try. I will explain it, however.
A. There are a LOT of harmful products out there. Music software isn't one of them. If anything, it is a relatively benign product that unlike guns, cars, fast food, variable rate mortgages, for-profit on-line universities, fast-tracked pharmaceuticals, collateralized debt obligations, undisclosed credit card terms, overdraft courtesy loans, alcohol, cocaine, American baby products, oil, natural gas, et al - causes no harm be it through financial, physical or psychological impact to people, the economy, or the environment. It's never been subject to recall. I'm almost positive no board member of any music software company has ever been indicted or asked to appear before Congress because of malfeasance related to their industry. To talk about how it's unfair that they're making money for making a product which harms nobody and actually serves the public good is ludicrous; particularly when there are so many people making and selling products, many of which (excluding cars - I love cars) cause more harm than good.
B. If you're making this argument, chances are you're incapable of making a product with a value remotely comparable to the one you're talking about stealing. I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just I don't think I've ever met someone who's made this argument who was also capable of making a product that I'd want to pay for, let alone steal.
8. Rationalization: It's just one guy offering his valuable insight (e.g. not Tiesto)
THE MONEY SHOT:
https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html...63&a486-index=2
No. It's a guy with a fairly extensive front-page on Beatport. You'll notice that he had the sense to remove the offending YouTube shortly after this thread appeared. I took the time to actually listen to some of his tunes and while I can't say that he's incompetent, I will say that he's a hypocrite. He might not be Tiesto, but he's also not Joe the Plumber, just trying to make an entry point into the business. He's selling his that he used stolen software to make.
As he removed his tutorial, I didn't get to see it, but I find it hard to believe that the information relating to rolling bass-lines is so scarce that he's added any valuable information on that elusive subject.
9. Rationalization: Lots of people do it.
THE MONEY SHOT:
I wonder if the world would end if nobody did it. Seriously, an appeal to populace logical fallacy doesn't legitimize its practice and, if nobody did it, people who couldn't afford it, might be able to.
Conclusion:
My primary reason for not participating in this forum as frequently as I used to is because of stuff like this and how prevalent it is. It is not because I am the tireless defender of DJ's or that I care all that much about the welfare of Cakewalk's Board of Directors. It's because when you people slam DJ's and defend software piracy, you are unwittingly and ironically speaking against your own welfare.
I also think Beatport should be driven out of business and think that producers who use it and/or its attendant labels are sabotaging themselves.
The OP isn't getting slammed in this thread for his facility with the English language. He's getting slammed because he contradicts your stupidly frozen persecutory narrative which consistently maintains a sociopathically adversarial world-view, that regardless of the behavior of your "opponents" - the DJ's who won't play your tunes or the software manufacturers who won't provide the fully fledged working product free of charge - is completely and utterly counter-productive.
I honestly bare you guys no ill will. I'm not ditching this forum out of some Quixotic notion of protest. It's just a LOT of you have no clue that you are your own worst enemies.
Software piracy dilutes the field with wannabes. It keeps money from software developers that would be used to make their products better. In short, it's just an endless cycle of totally misguided, internecine bull with an ample helping hypocritical submission to the status quo.
You guys' motto seems to be, It's okay to get ed by Beatport, because we're ing the software manufacturers.
Really, you're just ing yourselves. |
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| Excess |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
You why u mirin so hard op? lmao
EXCESS: You are the first person I've seen on this forum from NJ. Good to see some locals around here. I'm in dead center NJ by Long Branch/Highlands/Belmar area etc. |
...are you aware?!?!
and i'm from clifton :) north jersey. a benny if you will. |
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| theterran |
Deadmau5 apparently started out with a cracked version of FL studio as well...and the best part is that image-line showcases his music in their releases lol.
I'd find it amusing if people who pirated their software ended up having their music pirated in return. Karma karma.
I've pirated DAW's and a few synths to get a feel for them...Then I bought the ones I liked and removed the ones I didn't. So there. |
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| Magnus |
Ok lets be very clear here about something...
The guy you all keep referencing in this thread as "Magnus" is actually "SoundMagus" (there is no N). His real name is Mark. People mistakenly call him Magnus all the time. I have nothing to do with him. He is someone completely different than myself and with the tone of this thread, I wanted to make this clear. |
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| cryophonik |
I think we need a grassroots movement that encourages people to freely share music from producers who use cracked software. Maybe that would encourage distributors like Beatport to take steps to ensure that the artists whose music they sell are doing so in a legitimate fashion.
Yeah, probably not... :rolleyes:
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
I think we need a grassroots movement that encourages people to freely share music from producers who use cracked software. Maybe that would encourage distributors like Beatport to take steps to ensure that the artists whose music they sell are doing so in a legitimate fashion.
Yeah, probably not... :rolleyes:
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I pay for all my software and give away all my music.
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(But that probably has more to do with an acknowledgement of the current business climate, an honest appraisal of my own lack-lustre abilities, and the fact that I tend toward the unmarketably esoteric, rather than a realistic attempt at subverting Beatport. :toothless ) |
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| Beatflux |
| If all of the software and hardware companies went under, producers would be better off. Instead of constantly buying new toys, producers would have to use old gear in new ways. That doesn't sound so terrible to me... |
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| Storyteller |
Best example of piracy (mentioned this in TA several times before) for me was this duo that did an interview in computer music. They talked about selling their hardware and getting software instead since it is equally powerfull. Then in this one screenshot it showed a cracked plugin. When there's smoke there's fire so I'm assuming it wasn't the only illegal copy.
Honestly I do understand using illegal copies, but anyone that even remotely tries to justify it is an idiot. There is no excuse. |
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| soccerfanboy87 |
| lol i kno so many ppl that pirate their gear, they are never any good at producing either lol |
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| skyhunter |
| Synth1. That is all. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by soccerfanboy87
lol i kno so many ppl that pirate their gear, they are never any good at producing either lol |
I've seen the opposite as well: guy has 15k in gear and produces crappy vocal trance. |
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