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Do you work in 44.1 or 96khz? (pg. 3)
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| DJ RANN |
I work both personally and professioanlly at various different sample rates and bit depths so here's my take.
If you're recording anything, then always capture at the highest possible SR and BT. Doesn't matter if your project isn't as high, at least you'll always have the source in pristine quality.
Now for mixing, I know one of the mix engineers for score, only works in 96k, and will walk out of the entire signal chain is not coherant. He hears the difference, but in fairness he's probably one of the best engineers alive, and his credits are simply staggering.
I know others, in the same league as him that don't give a , and just work at 48 or 88k depending on the project format defaults.
However all of the work in 32b floating point, and I once saw probably the most respected score mixer, loose it and freak out over the fact our digital desk, drops down to just 32 bit (not float) when you make it run a outrageous number of tracks and busses.
So basically, to some SR makes all the difference in the world and to others, they're happy with common lower standards.
Personally, my feeling is this: if you can work (i.e. your machine can handle it) in 96k and 32BTFP then you should, and only render down for the master print (note - I did not use "bounce"). If you have good enough equipment, such as great monitors, room treatment and a very nice dac, you will be able to hear more, and therefore both produce, mix and engineer to a greater degree of detail, meaning that even if the finished product is going to be lower quality, you'll still have a better result due to the process.
If you're knocking out disposable EDM, in your bedroom, all just existing samples or midi, with entry level speakers and a consumer DAC, then just work at 44.1 as you'll not ever hear the difference.
P.S. I've got a pair of Technics MK5G's as well :p |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
If you're knocking out disposable EDM, in your bedroom, all just existing samples or midi, with entry level speakers and a consumer DAC, then just work at 44.1 as you'll not ever hear the difference.
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Got it, thanks. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
If you're knocking out disposable EDM, in your bedroom, all just existing samples or midi, with entry level speakers and a consumer DAC, then just work at 44.1 as you'll not ever hear the difference.
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You think no quality stuff comes from those types of studios any longer? Just curious. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| 24 bit might make a difference if the music is dynamic. Dance is nt. Standard track has an rms was above the k reference that it just doesn't matter. There was a huge fight over this about 2 years ago. Not sure who won. I argued you don't. Most engineers would disagree. People watch movies in hifi settings. I've see. People at raves still dancing when the pa turned off because the dj did something stupid. So ya. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
You think no quality stuff comes from those types of studios any longer? Just curious. |
no, I do - I'm making the point that incredibly minute increases in quality gleaned from better technology in parts of the signal chain, will not be perceived, used or realised, when every other part in that chain, as well as the instruments used, the talent playing it and listening environment are not all perfect in terms quality.
I'm saying there's not point using 96k in a bedroom with no treatment, or on ty monitors, or for people who can't play for .
Guetta tracks still make me want to vomit, regardless of sample rate. |
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| meriter |
That's a great video Eddie thanks for posting. Believe it or not there's a small basement venue here outfitted with funktion-one speakers. Amazing sound system, probably the best in the city (seriously) Dude has put a lot of time and effort and money into it and it's something of an honor to play there.
I'm compiling a live set with this venue in mind. I've been doing a lot of testing, A/B ing and so on and I swear to god I can hear a difference. Maybe it's just the way the plugins are processing the audio but 96khz just seems 'crisper' or 'brighter' to me even on my HS80s with zero room treatment. Really stresses the computer though. I've been doing most of the work in 44.1 then switching over and freezing the tracks prior to bouncing, that seems to work well and if you don't work with samples or anything conversion isn't an issue. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
That's a great video Eddie thanks for posting. Believe it or not there's a small basement venue here outfitted with funktion-one speakers. Amazing sound system, probably the best in the city (seriously) Dude has put a lot of time and effort and money into it and it's something of an honor to play there.
I'm compiling a live set with this venue in mind. I've been doing a lot of testing, A/B ing and so on and I swear to god I can hear a difference. Maybe it's just the way the plugins are processing the audio but 96khz just seems 'crisper' or 'brighter' to me even on my HS80s with zero room treatment. Really stresses the computer though. I've been doing most of the work in 44.1 then switching over and freezing the tracks prior to bouncing, that seems to work well and if you don't work with samples or anything conversion isn't an issue. |
YES!! :D |
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| KilldaDJ |
| cant hear 96 so no point 44.1 will do |
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| cryophonik |
| I record every track directly to vinyl and arrange it with a scalpel. Suck it, Burial. |
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| jupiterone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
shame on me, I'm still at 16/44.1 after all those years, except when working for video which requires 48. |
16!? :wtf: |
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| Vector A |
Same as Lolo here.
I could never tell a difference, so whateva.
:p |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Suck it, Burial. |
And how. |
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