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| madmuso |
Hey guys,
was wondering, if you were to write and record a trance album would the "original track listed" songs be the sort of radio edit versions with extended versions at the end of the album? Since the start of the year ive been writing and recording songs and by the end of the year i'll have enough to compile an album but was wondering what approach I should be taking with the songs as far as arrangement is concerned. I dont know what the usual protocol is!
Any advice is appreciated,
cheers, |
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| clay |
| id skip the dj friendly intro and outros on an album unless you plan to make it a fullrunner djmix of course. makes "cool intros/outtros" <- its actually called that lol. |
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| clay |
| there should only be album mixes on an album imo. extended club mixes should be on the single/EP... lol am i oldschool or what. |
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| clay |
| i actually never liked the album format. lol |
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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by CalvP
Dark side of the moon? joshua tree? oxygene? kind of blue? blue lines?
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wow you are old lol.
only album ive liked is Music For The Jilted Generation and a few Raekwon (wutang) albums. Oh and everything by Tool of course.
djmixes and playlists for everything else. |
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| DJRYAN™ |
| Armin Van Buuren did something on one of his older cd's. It wasn't mixed. It actually was comparable to Ferry Corsten's - LEF Album. Just follow the flow of the tracks. Regardless if their dj friendly or not. |
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| clay |
Tool - Lateralus
Tool - 10.000 Days
Tool - Aenima
awesome albums, quite hard metal with crazy percussion and rhytmstructure though, not for the stupid guy lol.
yeah 36 chambers was great, but not as an album, i always used to make my own mixtapes with only the 5-6 best tracks from random albums, either hiphop or rave/techno/harcore stuff lol. put them on minidisc, enable mono so that i had 160minutes lol. instant party MD.
the albums were just raw source material for my mixtapes haha. then i discovered vinyl dance EPs :) oh that was nice. |
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| clay |
| i bet he does. today its enough with one version of a track. the best version. |
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| madmuso |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
id skip the dj friendly intro and outros on an album unless you plan to make it a fullrunner djmix of course. makes "cool intros/outtros" <- its actually called that lol. |
due to my ignorance and lack of knowledge of this topic im not sure I understand your reply fully!
whats a "full runner djmix"? does this mean the entire album kinda becomes one big song, not really ending between songs maintaining cohesiveness and flow?
cool intro's/outro's?
sorry this is new to me!:o |
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| madmuso |
| quote: | Originally posted by CalvP
Most edm albums contain at least shortened versions, some are radio edits from start to finish.
I personally like the idea of offering a second CD with the full versions, or at least offering the listener a chance to purchase them from beatport etc
A good example is this...
Freemasons-Unmixed
CD1 features short versions & CD2 features extended versions, the acapellas & a sample pack; best of both worlds:) |
once again my ignorance and lack of knowledge on this topic confuses me.
Can I ask why they have acapellas and sample packs on the second disc?
Im assuming the sample packs are one shots of the original recordings drums, etc?
Sorry for my dumb questions guys, I come from a band background where your album usualy contains only one version of your songs! |
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| madmuso |
| quote: | Originally posted by CalvP
Yeah the sample pack contains the samples used on the album & various other samples in their library.
The reason is twofold:
1. Bonus content=added value & reaches more potential customer bases.
2. It encourages creativity & the spirit of sharing=more potential exposure.
Whereas with a rock album you'd have 1 version-maybe 2 if shortened for radio, an edm album usually caters to quite a few different listeners. You have the casual listener (constant mix), the commercial DJ (radio edit), the 'underground' DJ (extended version) & then the producer, who's interest will be peaked if it offers some form of remix potential.
Being flexible is an important skill, as much of the $ to be earnt in this industry comes from licensing music to TV/films/games/corporate events etc & you'll be expected to be able to supply music to the millionth of the second:p |
cool I understand now, thanks for clearing that up.
What about the drum samples? Isnt it illegal to supply the one shots for others to use if they were to remix your song? Essentially what you're doing is freely sharing samples you've purchased right? |
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| Normie |
Like I said (sorta) on another thread...
IMO, A song is a (small) story, like a chapter in a book. String them together to tell one big story. Darkside, Final Cut and the Wall are perfect examples of that from Pink Floyd. ELO's "Time" (listen and be amazed) and to a lesser degree Red Rider's "Neruda" are others. Then again I'm a sucker for concept albums.
Random songs in/on the album format to me are like an old K-Tel collection. For you young whipper snappers that's the 1970s version of today's "Now that's what I call Music!" compilations. Works fine for what it/they is/are, but to me (not that anyone cares ;) an album is a thing to be listened to "wholly" and taken in as one big thing.
But then at 45, I have the wisdom of years to ensure the correctness of my position ;) OK, I'm full of it, but the above is a point to ponder.
| quote: | Originally posted by CalvP
Quit living in the past man:p
Some would argue the fact we're even taking about albums still is oldschool!! i love the album concept, you can't beat it imo...here's hoping it stays:) |
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