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Best sports stadium of all time !!! (pg. 6)
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| quote: | Originally posted by diamond_white
stadium of plight.. ground fans...simple....theres nowt great about that tin hut.....wheeese keeeyse are theeeseee....but im sure it will be the finest stadium in the nationwide next season...
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Who rattled your cage you fcuking muppet, fans and ground? yeah and your not biased!?! :haha: |
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| evil_bastard |
Aye he's biased, and quite rightly so! Sunderland is the scum of the world and their "steedium" is a joke. They don't even know how to spell "howay the lads" and spelled it in massive letters on their seats :stongue: It's not "haway". And besides, people from Sunderland don't say that, they pinched it from Newcastle, a true mackem would say "howeee man". Pathetic.
Why on earth to you like Sunderland anyway? I can understand why someone from Sunderland might be misguided into thinking its great because they were indoctrinated with dirty mackem propaganda and lies about Newcastle as children, but anyone outside mackemland should see it for the hole it is and see the people for the scum they are. Newcastle is a much better place in every way imaginable.
Alas, there is no cure for you son, you are a MACKEM. The disease has got you now. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by evil_bastard
Aye he's biased, and quite rightly so! Sunderland is the scum of the world and their "steedium" is a joke. They don't even know how to spell "howay the lads" and spelled it in massive letters on their seats :stongue: It's not "haway". And besides, people from Sunderland don't say that, they pinched it from Newcastle, a true mackem would say "howeee man". Pathetic.
Why on earth to you like Sunderland anyway? I can understand why someone from Sunderland might be misguided into thinking its great because they were indoctrinated with dirty mackem propaganda and lies about Newcastle as children, but anyone outside mackemland should see it for the hole it is and see the people for the scum they are. Newcastle is a much better place in every way imaginable.
Alas, there is no cure for you son, you are a MACKEM. The disease has got you now. |
I agree there is no cure, the first time me dad took me to roker park i became infected with this "red n white" disease and now "i cant help falling in love with you Sunderland,Sunderland!!!":toocool:
HAAAAAAAAWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY THE LADS!!!
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| ryo |
| Why so much hate between Newcastle and Sunderland? I like em both, but well, I'm from Holland so dunno much about history and stuff:) only know it's a derby and uhm, both the stadiums are absolutely amazing! Together with Old Trafford and Riverside stadium the best stadiums in England :) (IMO) |
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| evil_bastard |
The differences of the cities go back a long way, as the North East has long had a shipbuilding tradition (the tyne used to be the busiest shipbuilding river in the world). The cities would compete for trade and people's livelihoods depended on this. I don't know all the details, but Newcastle was given special trading privileges which Sunderland didn't, because Sunderland was undercutting Newcastle's prices but was unreliable. In the 1600s, during the civil war, Sunderland allied with the Scots against Cromwell. Sunderland is south of Newcastle, and by allowing the Scots to use their region as a supply base, a scotland/sunderland alliance was able to surround Newcastle and effectively cut her off from her supplies and her support from the South. After a series of regional battles, Newcastle was taken. I think the reason Sunderland allied with the Scots was because they considered Cromwell to be acting against their economic interests. Newcastle were understandably pissed off, and Sunderland were considered traitors.
But there are other reasons. For a long time Newcastle and Sunderland have been somewhat isolated cities by British standards, and so the cities want to constantly outdo one another. Also, the North East has kind of been shat on in recent history, and only in the last few decades have things returned to normal.
But to be honest most people know nothing about the history, and don't care much. I don't know much either. We hate them because they hate us, and vice versa. There are no religous differences as with some football rivalries, Newcastle and Sunderland's tensions are purely football based and that is the beauty of it. To make things more interesting, Middlesborough has got involved in it all :) |
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| ryo |
| Thnx for the info :) Still 1 thing I don't understand, some time ago a documentary was broadcasted about hooliganism in Britain, and it showed there still was a lot of violence, but in the stadiums there's nearly any violence at all... It's so easy to get onto the pitch, and the supporters of the other team are only few meters away only separated by a line of security people. I know you get a big penalty for going on the pitch and a long time ban from the stadium, but I'm sure that if we had a stadium like Newcastle and it was a game like FC Utrecht - ADO Den Haag for example, in like 3 minutes you would have a big battle on the pitch between fans :rolleyes: So, ehm that's what I don't get, since there still is soccer violence in Britain, but not in the stadium itself :conf: (by the way, that documentary was about Cardiff City, Millwall, Chelsea and some more I forgot) |
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| evil_bastard |
In the 70s and 80s there used to be a lot of violence inside the ground. But police have done a lot to stop this, anything you could throw at people is banned, and hardly any seats are allocated to away fans so there is virtually nobody to fight! (In Newcastle the away fans are put in the top far corner and by the time you broke into their section you'd be arrested). Another big move which has changed violence inside the ground is having all-seater stadiums. People are less packed together, and it makes it harder for a group of fans to charge forward onto the pitch for example. Also, each person is allocated a seat. If someone misbehaves, their season ticket can be confiscated and the club will ban them. In the days of terraces, this was harder to do. Another thing which I think some clubs do is put the family seats nearest the pitch, because families are the least likely to do something like a pitch invasion.
Also, there are more police there than you think. As you go into St James Park there are police on horses waiting for trouble to happen and there is a heavier police presence in the city on matchday. When we play someone like Sunderland there are police everywhere.
I think the main reason violence has moved outside of the ground and onto the surrounding streets is because it's much easier. You're less likely to be arrested than in the ground because in the ground they can block the exits. Also, you're less likely to lose your ticket therefore. Also, it is easier for rival fans to arrange a fight where there won't be police than try to have one in the ground. The majority of trouble in the UK takes place around the ground now. Police have recognised this in recent years and it is common for the police to provide an escort to the train stations while holding the home fans inside the ground. It is also common for police to hold one train back if they think a load of hooligans will meet at the next station. Bars also serve drinks in plastic cups, and all sorts of other ideas to try and minimise the trouble. I think another reason is that some hooligans don't have a ticket into the ground, they just come for a fight, so obviously they cannot fight inside the stadium. Clubs like Newcastle have huge long waiting lists for season tickets, there are thousands more people want tickets than there are to go round, and the prices are high as it is. A few years ago they tried to build a much bigger stadium elsewhere in the city, but a few old locals protested because it's one of the only green areas of the city. Newcastle were refused planning permission for the new stadium, and had the option of building it miles out of the city but noone wanted that - it has to be in Newcastle. |
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| ryo |
| Cool thnx for the clear explanation :) I've always been interested in the problem of hooliganism, well don't do it myself, but well okay... I wonder if it ever can be banned, probably not, but I see it this way, why not make an area in the city were hooligans can go fight each other, so that innocent people won't be involved and they can do their thing and that's it :) |
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| quote: | Originally posted by ryo
Cool thnx for the clear explanation :) I've always been interested in the problem of hooliganism, well don't do it myself, but well okay... I wonder if it ever can be banned, probably not, but I see it this way, why not make an area in the city were hooligans can go fight each other, so that innocent people won't be involved and they can do their thing and that's it :) |
Because if sombody got killed in one of these areas were hooligans fight the people in charge (city council, police ect) would get strung up. :)
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| quote: | Originally posted by ryo
Cool thnx for the clear explanation :) I've always been interested in the problem of hooliganism, well don't do it myself, but well okay... I wonder if it ever can be banned, probably not, but I see it this way, why not make an area in the city were hooligans can go fight each other, so that innocent people won't be involved and they can do their thing and that's it :) |
I think hooligans get a buzz from the chaos and temporary anarchy, as well of course as the build up to fighting/riotting. Hooligans are a bit different to thugs or bullies, they ideally want to fight other hooligans and this would be less exciting if noone fought back. But some hooligans seem prepared to harm innocent people in an attempt to rile up the local population and cause mayhem. I think the adrenalin of these feuds, which in a way are like 'gangs' or 'tribes' going to war, is what attracts a lot of people to the culture. People who've gone undercover say there is a real sense of brotherhood in these "firms". |
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| jonnycarcinogen |
I can only judge from the ones I've seen in person:
Mellon Arena in Pittsburgh
Three Rivers Stadium in Pittsburgh
Ice Palace in Tampa, FL
Winner is Mellon Arena. I thought it was the best looking with its retractable dome roof. |
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| diamond_white |
| quote: | Originally posted by FTM
Who rattled your cage you fcuking muppet, fans and ground? yeah and your not biased!?! :haha: |
typical mackem...cannot take a bit of banter...
eeer yeeer theeers somthin wrong wit me compuuuter...
"build a bonfire, build a bonfire put the mackems on the top, put the boro in the middle and burn the fcukin lot!!" |
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