Originally posted by nefardec
don't worry, you will never be on ignore.
Oh, wait, that's right, mods can't be ignored, I forgot that rule existed :p
Anyway, I really think you would like the TTT I posted because she's got not just one terrific voice - but two! And she makes me all warm and confuzzy on the inside :D
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Originally posted by nefardec
my gf likes enydos posts because he makes fun of me in a jocular way. and she has a weird sense of humor that appreciates the nonsensical ramblings of the ATL set
I was actually trying to get your attention rather than hers :p
nefardec
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Originally posted by Lira
Anyway, I really think you would like the TTT I posted because she's got not just one terrific voice - but two! And she makes me all warm and confuzzy on the inside :D
oh yeah i've seen that video. TBH i feel it's a little transploitative given the venue. but at least her voice(s) is good.
dj_alfi
I'm pretty sure you can't call it exploitation when you sign up for a contest fully knowing the rules and setting surrounding it. And it's not like anyone beside her knew she was a trans-X (I don't speak thai so I don't know where on the scale she was), so how were they exploiting her for being a trans-x?
Or did you mean she exploited the fact that she was a trans-x to get further in the contest than she would have under "normal" circumstances?
nefardec
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
I'm pretty sure you can't call it exploitation when you sign up for a contest fully knowing the rules and setting surrounding it. And it's not like anyone beside her knew she was a trans-X (I don't speak thai so I don't know where on the scale she was), so how were they exploiting her for being a trans-x?
Or did you mean she exploited the fact that she was a trans-x to get further in the contest than she would have under "normal" circumstances?
yes, she totally did, and in doing so that way she made it OK for everyone else to undermine her and other transgender people. this makes her gender look like 'an act' versus her true self. it perpetuates a negative view that many people have against transgender people. in thailand transgender women are accepted as a separate class called 'kathoeys' so long as they fit into and likewise accept a certain set of social expectations. they don't have actual civil rights protections in thailand - for instance, they are not legally recognized as anything but their birth gender even after sexual reassignment surgery. most are forced to work in menial professions like beauty salons, sex work, cabaret, and manual labor.
a lot of people like to bring up thai 'ladyboys' (itself a pejorative term meant to disparage) to make the argument that thailand accepts transgender people. a lot of people in the transgender community hold this belief because they are very open in thailand, and there are is a big industry around it (sex work, tourism, sex tourism, surgery, entertainment). the reality is they are simply institutionally marginalized and exploited, and many all buy into it because it gives them some semblance of acceptance even if it is a lesser acceptance.
so when i see this kind of video, i only see a tragic reinforcement of social stigmas. it's kind of the transgender equivalent of malcolm x's 'house negro'.
please remember this is only my opinion and i don't speak for all transgender people. in fact my opinions are even relatively marginal within that community.
nefardec
dj_alfi
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Originally posted by nefardec
What. The. .:haha:
Zyklon_Jay
my gf is watching rupaul's reality show right now...these bitches are scary!
Desiderata
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Originally posted by dj_alfi
What. The. .:haha:
No doubt, reminds me of some sort of Tribal Double Dutch Ritual...
... just waiting for a girl to jump in and start singing as she jumps to The Dixie Chicks - Iko Iko
Lira
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Originally posted by nefardec
this makes her gender look like 'an act' versus her true self.
You really think so? My view to this video can be summarised in three sentences:
Wow, she's got a beautiful voice.
She's kind of cute too.
What the hell!? Amazing!!!
So I don't think it's any sort of betrayal to her true self... if there's anything such as one's "true self", that is.
nefardec
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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
my gf is watching rupaul's reality show right now...these bitches are scary!
drag race? definitely not trans. plenty of scary trans hos out there though.
i live for raja and raven
nefardec
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Originally posted by Lira
You really think so? My view to this video can be summarised in three sentences:
Wow, she's got a beautiful voice.
She's kind of cute too.
What the hell!? Amazing!!!
So I don't think it's any sort of betrayal to her true self... if there's anything such as one's "true self", that is.
i don't think she's betraying herself, i said she gives the wrong impression to a worldwide audience about transgender women in order to get ahead. of course, like you said, she is talented either way, so as far as a vocal musical competition goes this is irrelevant.
