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Ready to Compose - Not DJ (For now). HELP (pg. 2)
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| mathieu |
dunno about pro tools, it isnt really dance music orientated. ive never heard of a dance producer using a motif neither.
eh this could actually make your music sound original. so, why not. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Beyond that man, honestly, if you're not willing/able or have the head to learn this stuff yourself, you will never, ever make good music. |
It kinda makes me sad that this even needs to be pointed out to people.
I understand it's a very technical process but at its core, making music is a creative endeavor. The technical is easy from the beginning, you can spend years learning all there is to know about producing but as far as starting out new and figuring out how to make something rudimentary, it takes an hour or two of poking around and reading the manual.
If the effort required to learn how to start making music seems daunting (which it is, I understand that completely), you're in for a world of hell when you realize how hard things get once you get off the ground. This is the easy part, don't spoil yourself by trying to have people do that for you. It'll make the actual production process that much harder on yourself. |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mathieu
dunno about pro tools, it isnt really dance music orientated. ive never heard of a dance producer using a motif neither.
eh this could actually make your music sound original. so, why not. |
It's more for mixing and post-production, yes, but people do use it, including a certain Montreal producers whose had releases on some pretty big labels (can you guess? :p). The thing about ProTools though, is that the sound quality is really high up there, which is a good reason to consider it. It also comes with a boatload of plugins many of which let you do arrangement/compositions/etc...
Perhaps not the most user-friendly and you definitely won't produce a track as quickly as you would with, say, Ableton, but to some the extra headache is worth it because the end result cam sound much better. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by NewbieNewForYou
I am looking for the most brutal and honest advice as to what SKILLSETS I need to produce the highest quality music
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In terms of skillsets, for me number one, and often underestimated is attention to detail.
Just trips off the tongue and noobs will nod saying with inevitable earnestness that 'oh yea' attention to detail, thats me all over'.
It's a bit like how most job applicants trust robotically state 'I'll giev you 110% Mister'. In reality most of them wont even know what 110% means.
So what do we mean by attention to detail.
In my opinion you either have it or you don't. It cannot be learned. It's a way of being, and in the end for me the better producers all have this attribute.
Not convinced?
Ok ask yourself a question;
100 people are born that end up getting into cooking.
They all have access to the same recipies, so why does only 1 of them end up a top chef, and the rest as ships cooks?
It can only be one thing in the final analysis. Attention to the tiniest details. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
The thing about ProTools though, is that the sound quality is really high up there, which is a good reason to consider it. |
No. Please stop perpetuating this misinformation.
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
It also comes with a boatload of plugins many of which let you do arrangement/compositions/etc.. |
That doesn't even make sense.
To the OP, Pro Tools is fine for dance music production, but its feature set is far more oriented toward working with audio files, whereas much of EDM relies on working with MIDI. That said, PT9's MIDI feature set is more than adequate to the task. However, one area that it is currently lagging far behind the competition is that it's still only a 32-bit application, which puts it at a severe disadvantage relative to the competition if you use a lot of samples or sample-based instruments (e.g., Nexus, Kontakt, Omnisphere). I'm sure that 64-bit PT is not far off, though, and I'll be surprised (based on various rumors) if it's not available before the end of the year.
That said, if you're just starting out, you'll be seeking a lot of help and if you have specific questions about how to accomplish a given task in your DAW, you probably won't find a whole lot of PT users around here to help you. So, for that reason alone, I would suggest going with a DAW that is more commonly used for EDM (e.g., Ableton Live, Cubase, Logic, FLS). |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
No. Please stop perpetuating this misinformation.
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That's only what I was told first hand by ProTools users. I guess they don't know anything. And I was being fairly general, so no need to rip into me. When I wrote plugins, I meant stuff like Reason adapted, etc...May not have been the right word. Do you want to tell me that the sound quality with Abelton is as good as ProTools? Even if you are using an MBox for both? (which you can now do with the new models). |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
And I was being fairly general, so no need to rip into me. |
Nobody's ripping into you - you're spreading misinformation based on hearsay and it's not doing the OP any favors. I am a PT user as well as a Sonar user and I am fluent in many other DAWs, including Live and Cubase. As far as plugins go, PT actually comes with relatively few plugins and, if you want more, you have to buy the production pack (or third party plugins, of course). Plugins do not have an affect on the composition or arrangement - that's what the composer does in his DAW. Nobody's looking for a debate here, but again, this type of misinformation and misuse of terminology is only going to confuse the OP. |
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| NewbieNewForYou |
I'm new to the forums here so forgive my poor posting format.
My interest is not in spending money, obviously. It's in finding out what would be the most beneficial equipment and research to help mold me to creating my own sounds. Thanks for the constructive criticism Adam. Of course you can't understand my appreciation for trance music by me listing the songs I like and have tagged on my Pandora account (Thats the list above). I was giving an example of the genre I want to be a part of. I like phaggot music? Sure, I guess I can accept that. I like what I like.
-Quote from Adam-
And if you're "new to the scene" you might want to take some time to know the music a little better before starting to make it.
I'm sorry but if your trying to tell me that its impossible to create good music without listening to someone else's version of "favorite" music, your an idiot.
Re : Pozz
That Tiesto track is sick, and I own Nyana, along with just about every other Tiesto CD. I've seen him live many times and seeing him again in 12 days in Tallahassee. I'm not an OMG Adagio for Strings or LOL Motorcycle As the Rush Comes Fanboy, but thats not to say I haven't loved these tracks since I was young/ they came out.
I'm going to take a few days researching these golden ages, decadence, downfall, etc. Chances are i know 80% of the tracks just didn't know their classification into era's.
Julz -
Thank you for the advice as far as hardware. With this thread I've been convinced a pricey keyboard isn't needed, and I thank you all for the input. Music theory I have covered, I'm great on the piano, guitar, trumpet (dont ask) etc. I have an ear for music, I always hear things in songs others dont, and am perfectly happy with earphones outside for 8-10 hours at a time as long as i have good tracks. I'm ready for this and want to know the BASICS OF EQUIPTMENT and you Sir have been the most helpful, thank you.
Again, Adam, You judging me off of so little is amusing to me, especially given that my origional and only question I've asked in this thread is what hardware is the best to get STARTED on my goals of music production. Not a flamer telling me my musical choice is phaggy and that i have no ear or heart or soul for music. Your criticism has helped me because i've looked at it as inspiration. Thank you for being so judgmental with so little knowledge of who I am. Honestly, I cannot wait to send you my first track and have you rip me a new one, you cannot succeed without having flamer antifanboy's always telling you what you can do better.
Lastly, as I'm sure this community see's alot of threads from newbs like me, I again thank you all for your support and advice. Tracks on the way. Any additional input as far as must-do-research to help mold my tracks to come is much appreciated. |
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| Adam420 |
| You are welcome. You come here, saying that you don't even DJ, asking such elementary questions without exhibiting a single bit of knowledge on the subject, so I can't help but assume the worst. And I'm sorry, but the producers you listed are all e. I'm not saying listen to who I listen to, just saying there is such better stuff out there than that n00b . |
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| Andy28 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Do you want to tell me that the sound quality with Abelton is as good as ProTools? |
Hang on, so your trying to tell me if I load a vsti up in each of these with the same patch, PT will sound better than live???? |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andy28
Hang on, so your trying to tell me if I load a vsti up in each of these with the same patch, PT will sound better than live???? |
I don't know, what I was told may not have been in reference to the latest version. the MBox used to be only for PT, but the new ones can interface with any DAW. So with those the sounds quality may very well be the same with different programs. |
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