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Keys and Scales (pg. 2)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| You do know what happens to the key of a record when it gets pitched up or down, right? |
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| IRonMonKi |
| Well what I know is when you decrease or increase more than 3% you start moving into another key region |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You do know what happens to the key of a record when it gets pitched up or down, right? |
you aren't really following.
you easily change bpm say by 3-4 thru out a track and nobody will notice. You will not be able to even go up a semi tone without people noticing a huge change in bpm.
To change 1 semitone at say 128 bpm , you would need to increment or decrease your bpm by about 7 ish doing the math in my head. That is the smallest change using western conventions. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| As I've already mentioned, you can pitch shift records quite easily with technology these days. Although I'm not sure what your point has to do with harmonic mixing, because harmonic mixing is about moving through the keys in a way that is harmonic and pleasing to the ear. I think you're creating a total strawman conception of what people think harmonic mixing is about. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
jesus
you first made the statement that you can change bpm thruout a set equating it to changing harmony. I agreed but I said that most people tend to do this very slowly so that nobody notices where as changing harmony is noticeable thus not like changing bpm at all thus making your analogy quite poor.
And pitch shift algorithms sound like . You can't change a key to a track without completely degrading it. If you don't agree, your hearing is shot. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Actually, I'd say the vast majority of listeners wouldn't have a clue when you'd changed key as long as you only moved up or down on the circle of fifths. Most people don't have relative pitch, they don't have a clue what key a track is in. As long as it sounds harmonically smooth, people don't know. The change of key might have a subconscious effect on the mood of the set, but they're no more likely to spot it than they would a slight increase of BPM over the course of a couple of tracks. I mix harmonically myself, and I have never, ever had a moment on a dancefloor or listening to a set at home where I've thought "Oh, the key has changed" unless it's a key clash. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| the point is they notice a change. slightly increasing or decreasing bpm, they won't notice. So if you are planning to speed things up because the headliner plays a little faster, most djs will start increasing the bpm over a few tracks and it is unnoticeable. You can't do that with the key of a track. Which is what gives key changes their power which has been my position on harmonic mixing which i first stated. The power is not harmonic mixing vertically but rather horizontally ie key changes thru time like you would in say a sonata or a symphony. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the point is they notice a change. slightly increasing or decreasing bpm, they won't notice. So if you are planning to speed things up because the headliner plays a little faster, most djs will start increasing the bpm over a few tracks and it is unnoticeable. You can't do that with the key of a track. Which is what gives key changes their power which has been my position on harmonic mixing which i first stated. The power is not harmonic mixing vertically but rather horizontally ie key changes thru time like you would in say a sonata or a symphony. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the point is they notice a change. slightly increasing or decreasing bpm, they won't notice. |
Way to completely ing ignore what I just said. Subconsciously they might notice a change of key, but they're also going to subconsciously notice a change of BPM, especially as it's going to be dictating the speed at which they're dancing.
There are two crucial areas of stupidity in your argument:
1. This bizarre assumption that people think harmonic mixing means just playing in one key.
2. This idea that playing in key makes transitions boring. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
that is what you don't seem to grasp.
People will notice a semitone change. It isn't sub conscious. The jnd for under 500 hz is what about 3 hz ? Listen , you tried to equate bpm to the key of a track. It was a poor analogy. You were wrong, I aint mad at cha. So in move on already. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Oh okay, I must be the only person in the world who doesn't notice. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| anyone that is tone deaf , yup. Most people aren't. That jnd is a general %. |
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