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BPM issues when mixing with USB's (pg. 3)
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
That's wrong. 129 needs to be pitched up by around 0.8% to get to 130bpm. |
It would actually tick over from 129 to 130 at 129.5 (the 400 only shows whole bpm), which is about +0.4%, so it is right.
The only reason I can imagine for there being a difference with USB is if it uses a smaller section of audio to calculate the tempo. Reading from USB is faster than CD and USB isn't susceptible to shocks, skips etc so Pioneer may have decided to make the read buffer a lot smaller for USB... if the BPM is calculated using just this buffer, then it could make the result less accurate. But that would be quite a strange design decision to make!
I've never used Rekordbox, but presumably that calculates the tempo in software in advance? Which the 400 can then use, so could be more accurate.
But no, Pioneer have shipped the product now, they're not going to care unfortunately.
Pitch bending for the length of a mix? It does sound like you're making life harder than it needs to be. Get the pitches as accurate as possible by ear (ignoring BPM readouts) before you bring the track in. With the resolution CDJ400s offer, you should barely have to touch the platter or pitch slider during a mix.
I (and probably most other DJs) only really use BPM readouts to get a feel for how fast I'm going. Or maybe when mixing across massive pitch ranges: slowing a track from 125 down to 80 before mixing it with track at that speed - helps to get it in the right ballpark before quickly lining it up by ear - but that's a pretty rare event.
Particularly if the readout's only accurate to 1 bpm! Just using those to match you could be up to about 0.8% out (~130 bpm), which would go out of time in just a few beats. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
I'll bet 100 bucks, that the "no kick drum after the break" is a product of inproper phrasing.
your tracks might be drifting (naughty naughty illegal mp3), but this sounds like a case of lack of effort. practice is key. cdj is pathetically easy to mix with, keep at it. the less you rely on what the machine tells you, the better you will be.
imagine trying to play a classic record that is a bit warped because of age, and riding that pitch like a black man rides Kim kardashinan. mixing is easy if you use your ears and not counters.
/redundant |
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| Amir_9 |
Guys, again, when theres a slight difference because of a wrong reading. Its OKAY with Trance tracks, because most of them don't have long kick-drum less breaks after a minute in or so. (This is when I kill the bass from the previous track and kill the volume slowly, thats how 140 BPM trance tunes are mixed most of the time, except tracks with a crecindo then kill the volume of the previous track as the crecindo reaches its end.)
Pitch bend with the platter when a train-wreck is about to happen by adjusting it clockwise or anti-clockwise (if needed even) and that should be fine for the transition period.
But its when harmonic mixing a track with a break then a kickdrum (Prog House tracks mostly) is when this issue is irritating. In anycase, I'd just have liked to have less time adjusting/pitch bending and what not and have more time to interact with the crowd or decide where I take the set.
I understand the point being made that I need to rely on my ears more, I take that into account of course and agree with it. But for the last two years or so, when mixing with CD's, the counter has been reliable in a sense both tracks will be rounded up a BPM higher/lower at the same percentage and I'll end up beatmatching two tracks under a minute, and to cue/prepare an incoming track takes seconds. See if they are beatmatched in my headphones and I just have loads of time as the track plays before I have to bring the second track in. |
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| Amir_9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
I'll bet 100 bucks, that the "no kick drum after the break" is a product of inproper phrasing.
your tracks might be drifting (naughty naughty illegal mp3), but this sounds like a case of lack of effort. practice is key. cdj is pathetically easy to mix with, keep at it. the less you rely on what the machine tells you, the better you will be.
imagine trying to play a classic record that is a bit warped because of age, and riding that pitch like a black man rides Kim kardashinan. mixing is easy if you use your ears and not counters.
/redundant |
More than half my tracks are bought, and I admit the others aren't, still they are all 320 kbps mind you. |
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| DJ NyX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Amir_9
I know how to beatmatch two tunes, when they are both the same BPM it takes a matter of seconds for me to mix them. As I already said, even if its not accurate or there a slight difference as the situation is now, I can pitch bend the faster tunes and its all fine. But this is a huge issue with tunes that have no kickdrum after their break.
When I have the technology there for me that I've paid for, I should expect no less. |
lol you can still beatmatch without the kickdrum. there is always some kind of rhythmic pattern going on somewhere.
none of the current players with BPM counter will get it 100% right all the time.
in any type of live situation you'd be better off just learning it by ear 100%. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Amir_9
More than half my tracks are bought, and I admit the others aren't, still they are all 320 kbps mind you. |
that doesn't have anything to do with drifting, it may be a vinyl rip. Just because a blog says that something is 320, it does not make it so. |
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| Zyklon_Jay |
| I'm not your mom, but buy your music. |
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| DJ NyX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
I'm not your mom, but buy your music. |
^this! |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Amir_9
Guys, again, when theres a slight difference because of a wrong reading. Its OKAY with Trance tracks, because most of them don't have long kick-drum less breaks after a minute in or so. (This is when I kill the bass from the previous track and kill the volume slowly, thats how 140 BPM trance tunes are mixed most of the time, except tracks with a crecindo then kill the volume of the previous track as the crecindo reaches its end.) |
Erm... can you post some examples of your mixing for us? |
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| Amir_9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay
I'm not your mom, but buy your music. |
That was very very pointless.
I already told you, and I'm going to tell you once again, I've bought more than half my music. When I run the ones that have not been bought through Rekordbox, Mixed in Key and whatnot, the bitrate is 320 kbps. The size of the MP3 file determines that it is 320kbps as well AND EVEN IF that STLL means it may not be 320 kbps, I get inaccurate readings with some bought tracks as well, which leads to the drifting off issue, in anycase I'm not someone who faces this issue all the time, as I know how to mix, beatmatch and pitch bend. This is just a small nuisance, hell even the drifting off is not noticable live because its not a train-wreck, fixed within a matter of seconds by pitch bending.
Don't take what I said in any form of rude manner, please, im just stating my case.
You are heading a bit far now. |
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| Amir_9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Erm... can you post some examples of your mixing for us? |
http://soundcloud.com/amirhussain/d...-prog-house-mix
The last transition is what im talking about, kill the bass of the previous when the incoming track hits home.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ NyX
lol you can still beatmatch without the kickdrum. there is always some kind of rhythmic pattern going on somewhere.
none of the current players with BPM counter will get it 100% right all the time.
in any type of live situation you'd be better off just learning it by ear 100%. |
That I am aware of, and will start practicing to do more. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Amir_9
That was very very pointless.
I already told you, and I'm going to tell you once again, I've bought more than half my music. When I run the ones that have not been bought through Rekordbox, Mixed in Key and whatnot, the bitrate is 320 kbps.
The size of the MP3 file determines that it is as well. Oh and for the record, I get inaccurate readings with some bought tracks as well, you are heading a bit far now. |
You better watch your tone, young man.
Don't you dare speak to your mother that way! |
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