Hey, I enjoy listening to the ISOs and Magik mixes.
as I'm listening, I noticed that there is nearly no flaws in the mixings. it's almost as if every track were blended perfectly, no train tracks, and all sounds are transitioning into each other at the perfect time.
I just wanted to know, did Tiesto cheat when doing it? so if you guys know any answers to these particular questions, that would be great to know. I just want to know, does Tiesto cheat when he made these mixes in the studio? or did he straight up do it live in the studio?
by cheating... I mean like, did he give off an impression like it was 100% recorded live in the studio, or did he use some program that allowed him to lay tracks next to each other on a timeline and press the record button? like a preset or something.
just curious if any of you knew!
LAdazeNYnights
I'm not an expert on this but I'll hazard a guess:
He did it the same way mixes for release are typically done - spent a good deal of time rigorously programming the set, sitting down with his engineers or whatever, and then made it happen. If that meant recording it as he did it on vinyl (which I'm guessing it does for most of em) then that's just how it went. I don't think any dj sets out to make a mix for professional release thinking "one shot. do or die." If he had to tweak the mixes hundreds of times before they felt perfect, then I'm sure he did.
The whole idea behind a mix like that is (at least imo) "here's what I'm bringing to the table. this is me at my best". I would never expect train wrecks on a mix you have to pay for.
How did you think it's done???
SYSTEM-J
Of course there are no flaws. We're talking about commercial mix CDs. The tracklistings will have been extensively pre-planned before they were mixed, as tracks needed to be cleared for use and running times needed to be considered.
Some of the Magik compilations at least were recorded live, so they were done live on vinyl before a crowd. It's very common practise for commercial mix CDs to be mixed digitally, even far back into the '90s. However, it really is not hard to mix flawlessly for 80 minutes when you've totally pre-planned your set and you're a professional DJ. Especially when you mix like Tiesto does, which is pretty simplistic.
Lews
Actually there are definitely some flaws in the mixing in some of the Magik discs (number two and three particularly, if I'm remembering the numbers correctly). Forbidden Paradise mixing is even worse (yet those are some of the best commercial trance mixes ever, imo).
But yeah, super pre-planned (for many reasons).
keithos27
while some of us will never know for sure unless we were there (i.e. we're the dj, engineer, label owner, etc.) many of the early mixes were live on turntables (you can hear it, and you can read it in the liner notes). many of the later mixes were done digitally (which is the standard now-a-days).
i *think* one of the first mainstream (for EDM purposes) mix cd to go the digital route was Sasha & John Digweed's Northern Exposure 2xCD which was done back in 1996.
Chimney
He uses the powers of the elements.
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Lews
Forbidden Paradise mixing is even worse (yet those are some of the best commercial trance mixes ever, imo).
Lunar Outbreak - Moonstruck
Woonyxoxo
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Of course there are no flaws. We're talking about commercial mix CDs. The tracklistings will have been extensively pre-planned before they were mixed, as tracks needed to be cleared for use and running times needed to be considered.
Some of the Magik compilations at least were recorded live, so they were done live on vinyl before a crowd. It's very common practise for commercial mix CDs to be mixed digitally, even far back into the '90s. However, it really is not hard to mix flawlessly for 80 minutes when you've totally pre-planned your set and you're a professional DJ. Especially when you mix like Tiesto does, which is pretty simplistic.
I wonder with what software mixes were back done then, I mean EDM specific software was probably in it's infancy. Pro Tools?
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by keithos27
i *think* one of the first mainstream (for EDM purposes) mix cd to go the digital route was Sasha & John Digweed's Northern Exposure 2xCD which was done back in 1996.
Renaissance: The Mix Collection was also done digitally, and I'm pretty sure I have Sasha mixes from even earlier that were mixed digitally as well. In fact, Northern Exposure 2 is the only Sasha/Digweed compilation I can name that was definitely not done digitally, and that's only because the back cover says "Mixed entirely from vinyl".
Adam420
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Renaissance: The Mix Collection was also done digitally
ooh, interesting. I was listening to it a few weeks ago and was thinking to myself that they must have been quite amazing to pull off all 3 discs on vinyl only. Guess not.
Trance-MB
To most Dutch DJ's Ben Liebrand was their example and it's known that he also was to Tiesto, Ferry and Armin.
Ben Liebrand made his first Grandmix in 1983 using tape and a lot of cutting and taping. So it's not strange they prepare well for a set. Ben often plays tracks side by side for long times, so you need to figure this out before you do a live set.
I can't image Ben had no influence on how mixes are made in Holland during the years.
For who wants to see/hear some interesting old stuff about Ben (in Dutch): 1986 Ben Liebrand at Tineke (part 1) Check the "real" loop @1:10 with Mr Mister - Broken Wings
