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Buses, Groups and the Like w/ Logic & Logic Compression
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| Energy_3 |
hey chappppssss
Im trying to establish a bit of an template in logic
I am setting up a group for my drums, percussion etc, now instead of going to send for this i have opted what i have read so far on the net that its of greater benefit to go down to where is says stereo out and change > bus location. Which I have done, as usually i would go to send. So for example I now have my kick, hats, claps, snares all sent into a compressor, the standard one in logic and I have selected VCA mode.
Forgive me but, because I have not used the send box and changed the stereo out to select the bus, can i now only control the amount of send input via volume fader on selected track where previously I could filter the amount of send not volume by the little circle thing next to the send tab if that makes sense?
Basically, what is the added advantage of using a group besides minimising the amount of aux channels you have set up etc and cpu usage?
With my group I have sent them all to a logic compressor and selected VCA mode, am I better of sending to a multipressor? ( i should do some more reading) :rolleyes: For greater manipulation or control?
Any info greatly appreciated as always, and if someone would love to share some tips on a template set ups that would be great. what works for them and so on
many thanks :toocool: |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| no difference except with sends , you can send to multiple busses and control the amount. You can also have the original sent to a bus untouched.But if you just plan to have inserts where wet/dry ration is not important , then the output method is probably a more logical route. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
no difference except with sends , you can send to multiple busses and control the amount. You can also have the original sent to a bus untouched.But if you just plan to have inserts where wet/dry ration is not important , then the output method is probably a more logical route. |
This is right.
However it sounds like you need some clarification....
Sends, Busses & groups have differnt purposes;
Changing the I/O to a buss, send the signal to somewhere else, essentially interrupting the signal chain from just going to the master outs as usual in Logic..
Sends, send a copy of the signal to somewhere else, leaving the post fader signal to go to where ever you have the output set to. You can then mix the return (of that send) in to the master output.
Groups are used to group channels togther, so that when you have your relative levels set, if you move one fader all the rest move in relation to their values. This is useful when you have the balances of several tracks (i.e. drums) and want to mix them in with other elements but need control over the group while maintaining their balance.
I personally don't use groups that often as for me, it's rare to mix groups together - I like to have control over all my individual tracks. I mainly use busses on the I/O section or sends.
Once you've defined how you normally work, good practise is to set up a template which has your busses/sends already in place, then you just select what you need, when you need it.
This is a great thread about routing and busses etc:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...d=&pagenumber=1 |
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| Energy_3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN You can then mix the return (of that send) in to the master output.
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Just the quoted bit above, doesnt it automatically channel back into the master output anyway? It sounds like here you saying that once i send a track to a particular effect, i then need to send it back? sorry for the confusion. Because by bussing it you dont let all of that particular sound trough unless you want to correct, so 70% main remain in the main output and 30% into the send then back into the main output? if that makes sense!
Thanks guys, that does make perfect sense, I had a fair idea, just wanting to clear things up which you have done. :tongue3 |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| doesn't quite work like that 100% goes to the channel out, and 70% goes to the bus. It basically sends a clone. It doesn't quite work the way oldschool hardware sends work. At least in logic. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
doesn't quite work like that 100% goes to the channel out, and 70% goes to the bus. It basically sends a clone. It doesn't quite work the way oldschool hardware sends work. At least in logic. |
You're right - the only difference is that logic automatically creates the return patching for you on the aux. With real equipment, you bus to the iputs of that FX, then have to take the outputs of that FX to another channel, and then have to tell that channel where to go to eventually be mixed back to the master.
With logic, when you send to an Aux, it magically creates the Aux with the return patching already configured to the master (you can of course change this for instance if you route all tracks to a sub master for master processing before hitting the master out channel in Logic).
Most people using logic work by leaving the fader on the Aux channel at unity gain, then just dialing in however much FX you need on the send knob of the track.
Having said that though, another way to work is to have the send knob at unity, and mix the Aux fader to taste - this is fine for one or two tracks where you want a universal relative application of that FX, or for an instance where you want a the same FX applied to multiple tracks all at the same depth, but it's useless when you're trying to add say a room vibe with a reverb to bunch of different tracks and some may need more and some less. |
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| Energy_3 |
Ok. got it. One last thing i googles the meaning of unity, but im not sure if it applied to production tech, " the state of arrangement or parts into a whole" yes, such a lovely word which is what your suggesting?
send knobs at unity i.e. equal proportions? |
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