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| Dj Pluviose |
Don't you love how the older songs had a little bit of posture in it?
By posture I mean, the artists who created the songs, did not dumb down their songs of bend their talent to match the likings of the masses.
That's why older songs kept posture. It was either "You understand this sound, or you don't. And if you don't GTFO."
on the contrary, nowadays the new Trance scene tries to make things all happy and fluffy (Armin) with all these poppy sensations that have made Trance so formulaic and bland.
I just wish whoever picks up the productions nowadays chooses to push boundaries and challenge the listeners once again, keep posture in the productions and not be forced to lower their production talents to something that masses could comprehend.
I mean when I listen to newer songs on Armada label or whatever I don't really feel any challenge to my ears. I don't feel that hate/love relationship I had with songs from classic Trance. It just feels like everything is all easy, steady, and spoonfed. What I mean by hate/love relationship is when you hear the older tracks it sounds so different and weird at first that you hate it, but later on as time goes by, you listen to again and all of a sudden its AMAZING. You don't get none of that with the newer songs... |
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| justin |
| Unsure with what you mean about love/ hate relationship. You were saying that with some producers out there whose style is obscure you tend to not like what you hear at first, but after listening again come to realize that the reason why is because the producer has posture. So you give undue credit to the creativity of a producer that you lack the ability to identify with at first listen. Its hard to know what to like out there without being told by the majority what is good and is bunk . Listen to your intuition man! |
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| Adam420 |
| it's time to move on. It's okay...come...join us on the dark side. |
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| Dj Pluviose |
| quote: | Originally posted by justin
Unsure with what you mean about love/ hate relationship. You were saying that with some producers out there whose style is obscure you tend to not like what you hear at first, but after listening again come to realize that the reason why is because the producer has posture. So you give undue credit to the creativity of a producer that you lack the ability to identify with at first listen. Its hard to know what to like out there without being told by the majority what is good and is bunk . Listen to your intuition man! |
Yeah that's exactly my point. I think at some point, all of us had a similar experience to that. I HATED classic Trance. I used to be an anthem/epic only guy. Until I got bored of only anthem/epic Trance, I took another dare to listen to classic Trance. Except this time, it was exactly what I needed to move on into the next level.
I feel like people who started in the classic era will always be on top of their taste. But younger people like me, and all my other friends, will have to struggle, go through some various phases, and deal with a lot of patience before we acquire a liking for older songs.
For example, people who started at classic Trance will have no difficulty listening to classic Trance because it was what they had and they worked with it. HOWEVER, newer gen kids like me and my friends who weren't even in puberty yet in 95-2002, will start off at scratch taste with DJ MYSTIK, DJ RAVERBOI or whatever at first then we build up and shift more towards the older sounds.
Maybe you guys have felt like that at one point. I bet most of you though probably already got it good. Trance-MB was there before Trance even existed! |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Nah, everyone had to develop their taste, especially if they started listening young. I guarantee that almost everyone on this forum who was listening to classic trance in the early '90s got there through cheesy Eurodance, just as everyone listening to millenial progressive went through cheesy epic trance. |
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| justin |
I never went through the ty Euro-Dance "phase". They're all still good tracks to me and as I look back at the Euro-dance music that helped to define good music to me, and I can still say that I hold the same values, then I am still on the path (to good music).
Its one thing to look for music that people are less likely to appreciate at first glance but c'mon, are we talking about hidden gems and B-sides from the past or current artists that arn't producing the same cookie cutter trash that we all love to hate here.
If we are trying to say that with experience comes a more refined sense of art than I disagree completely.
Its one thing to say Trance MB has a keener eye for the older tracks of his generation, but I truly, full-heartedly believe that biased judgment happens to all of us as we age and the music changes. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I really cannot make sense of that post, sorry. |
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| justin |
| quote: | Originally posted by justin
If you are trying to say that with experience comes a more refined sense of art than I disagree completely.
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| justin |
and for further understanding this thread should be title don't you love how our tastes grow as we grow older.
My answer, simply no,...,. |
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| Trance-MB |
Well, first, me liking asot like tracks to many will not be seen as a growing taste over those many years (better say it before SYSTEM-J does).
But indeed it's very different when you're able to listen to tracks before they got more or less a (sub) genre label. The WOW effect was very different compared to nowadays.
But even people of my age will remember different tracks as good, so everyone developed his/her own taste like SYSTEM-J says. Some had a pretty narrow band (e.g. only gabber or hardcore) and others like me a very wide band (from euro dance, trance, techno, club, to happy-hardcore and hard trance).
The people already listening in the early 90's had a very different way of experiencing tracks in a time without internet.
I can image you won't get the same feeling we had when hearing tracks like Cappella - You got 2 know, Culture Beat - Mr Vain, Ramirez - Hablando, Jones&S - The First Rebirth, Jam&Spoon - Follow Me, Felix - Don't you want me, U96 - Das Boot, for the first time. Like you say you need to listen old tracks serveral times before you like them.
As far as I can remember I used to love tracks at once or didn't like them that much. Just few took some time, for me that was e.g. Speedy J - Pullover, although the Calvin Rotane version was to me the much better one.
Also it's very different to explore the tracks of the past in a short time, where we had many years (and even that was too short to explore all). From a technical point of view we were able to listen how music developed in the right order. Going backwards will sure give a different impression, also because the memories and emotions are missing. That's why the older ones will remember tracks differently, something which won't change I guess.
Something which could help a little are parties like Turn Up The Bass, playing all those old tracks of the early 90's. Especially to youngers ones wanting to explore those year it's fun. And for the olders it must be the desire to go back to those early 90's.
TURN UP THE BASS LINE UP
Maybe nice to compare these two: The new one first, the old slow one still is better then the new one, although I like the new one, but when I need to pick one it's the old one for sure. That new one misses all those emotions and atmosphere of that time. And less = more, not?
Those classics have short recognizable samples or melodies which made deep impressions (just listen to the intro of the 2nd one).
Ramirez - Hablando (Push remix)
Ramirez & Pizarro - Hablando (Acordeon Mix)
My taste didn't change too much when I grew older. I still like the old ones, next to todays tracks. Just many old ones now sound too old. Only the really good classics remain, but that still are many tracks. |
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| dj christian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance-MB
Maybe nice to compare these two: The new one first, the old slow one still is better then the new one, although I like the new one, but when I need to pick one it's the old one for sure. That new one misses all those emotions and atmosphere of that time. And less = more, not?
Those classics have short recognizable samples or melodies which made deep impressions (just listen to the intro of the 2nd one).
Ramirez - Hablando (Push remix)
Ramirez & Pizarro - Hablando (Acordeon Mix)
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The old one still kicks it hard! First time i heard it on Darren Emerson GU 20 it blew me away.
The Push remix is not bad either but far from the original. |
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