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Question About Monitors (pg. 2)
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by magnosis
KRK Pro Rockit 6 Near Field Studio Monitors (limited edition blue boys) that i realized you just need to get the correct studio montiors and not just any. |
True, and that's exactly what i think when someone says they own KRK's.
There should really be a ban on putting the words "KRK" and "Studio Monitors" in the same sentence
Treating a room for KRK's is like those guys that put expensive alloys, K&N air filters and NO2 in their second hand Ford Focus. It's still no matter how much you try to improve the performance.
Fine, get stands or recoil stabilizers or a bass trap, at least you can use them later, but don't analyze your room and address acoustic issues for those speakers. Address the speakers in the first place. |
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| DJMiakoda |
Okay, I get what everybody's saying but I keep running into a mental block here (please forgive my ignorance)...that being if I mix on flat response monitors, I'm naturally going to be inclined to boost the bass because I'm not hearing it on my monitors.
So how do I grade the bass frequencies if I can't truthfully hear them?
Do I set the levels with a decibel meter? What if I want to buy a new set of monitors? Do I have to listen to hours and hours of music on them before I can start to mentally translate the sound difference? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
you listen to music on your monitors and develop a reference. Until you know your speakers, your mixes will sound bad. YOu know how much bass to put because you've listened to thousands of songs on them and you've developed an internal reference as to how much bass is appropriate.
To be honest, the ability to listen to a certain set of monitors for a long time without strain is more important than being completely flat. In my opinion anyways. |
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| DJMiakoda |
| This makes sense. I haven't really listened to a lot of music on these monitors so how can I really mix with them? |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| HA!, KRK's sound beautiful in a well treated room, skrillex uses krk's and he's big. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| pretty sure he upgraded after his first EP. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
pretty sure he upgraded after his first EP. |
well i wasn't serious, he uses his krk's in the tour bus, there was a vid of him using them |
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| Sukhavati |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMiakoda
Okay, I get what everybody's saying but I keep running into a mental block here (please forgive my ignorance)...that being if I mix on flat response monitors, I'm naturally going to be inclined to boost the bass because I'm not hearing it on my monitors.
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Do you have a sub? If you incorporate a sub into your setup and then listen to a lot of music that you know well enough, you can get a to rough reference for how loud the sub needs to be compared to your monitors. Still, keep in mind that if your room is not set up properly, you're going to have room modes/standing waves which is going to affect how much bass you hear, in addition to highlighting some frequencies and dulling others depending on where you are standing in the room. Also keep in mind the sub brings the added issue of bass traps, but even without traps, it should give you a better result since having not enough bass seems to be your main problem.
*Edit that last line: since having too much bass in the final mix seems to be your main problem.*
It's not just a matter of the monitors, it's also a matter of the room you're listening in and how familiar you are with both the sound of the monitors & the room. That's why treatment is recommended, or at the very least a proper set-up. Start there and see if your bass evens out. |
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| Sukhavati |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Predictability was a factor but the main thing was they sounded so ing lifeless, that if you could get a mix sounding nice on them, the moment you took it to another system it would sound great. They are really not very nice to listen to - just dull and boring. It also became a "thing" that you expected to see in studios so people just bought them as they were expected. Kinda how protools is expected - there are better converters/interfaces but 75% of clients think you're an amateur if you don't have PTHD in the studio. |
The NS-10s are really boring to listen to, but I do like the results I get from them. I'm willing to admit it's mostly me being familiar with how they sound. Plus if there's something not quite right in the mix, they're going to show all the mistakes. They don't seem to color the sound as much as other monitors I've tried, including newer stuff.
There is something to be said for having industry standard equipment, especially if you plan on working with several different people. It's a lot easier to export a project in it's native format vs. having to find something both programs can export. That's not so much an issue with sound I suppose, but I've certainly run into it with video. However, that does tend to breed elitism for some reason. Much worse than just brand loyalty. It's like facebook, it really sucks, but everyone uses it so until something better comes along you're kind of stuck if you want to play the game. |
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| mnw479 |
| Tangential question: why is mixing on monitors better than mixing with headphones? |
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| Sukhavati |
| quote: | Originally posted by mnw479
Tangential question: why is mixing on monitors better than mixing with headphones? |
I personally don't believe it should be one or the other, but a combination of the two. There's also the issue of fatigue which I find to be less when using monitors than headphones, not to mention feeling more natural to listen to. With headphones there's also the issue of left and right sound signals going to each ear independently of each other versus mixing in the space around you before entering your ear as they would in an environment with monitors.
MORE INFO HERE. |
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| DJMiakoda |
Okay, next question...when I'm listening to someone else's music, and then I listen to my own, how can I accurately set the loudness?
Major differences happen in volume variation, so is there any software out there that I can compare decibel-loudness levels between my DAW and the media player I'm using? |
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