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| DJRYAN� |
| So I just finished a mix and I imported it into Ableton because I believe its "normalize" function automatically levels audio across the mix. Is that belief correct? When ripping the new .wav it says "searching for amplitude maximum" and then "normalizing audio" is it correct to assume that my levels across the mix will not exceed the max? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| you should not be normalizing your mixes. It is a pretty clear indication your levels are not right. As far as what it does, google the word. IT is useful for people that know nothing about audio but want something with too much headroom to be louder. A tool for hacks so perhaps in retrospect, this is the perfect solution for your ty mix. |
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| EddieZilker |
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...80&forumid=8&s=
Read this thread. Pay particular attention to what Looney4Clooney states and also read this article (http://www.hometracked.com/2008/04/...-normalization/), incorrectly cited by poor, poor Skip, who misinterpreted it with somewhat disastrous results for his now shattered ego. In spite of the fact that Looney4Clooney is being something of a monumental ass, he is on point in that thread, more eloquent than I am when talking about sound and music, and has internets street cred; so we must give credit where credit is due. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| monumental but the bandana and his entire history here is just too much. I couldn't be nice to him mashed on rave candy having my balls massaged by a wall street executive while dave chappelle makes me laugh. |
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| EddieZilker |
I'll grant you that he's been petulant, in the past, but, although he's asking ignorant questions, they actually have interesting answers and, in his defense, he's not trying to be a about it. Furthermore, he's quite receptive to the positive responses he gets. When he's not being a wanna-be douche, he's quite engaging.
However...
I must be tuning it out because it didn't even occur to me that the avatar might be part of his problem but now that I think about it, solely because of that ty little gif, he brings it on himself. Please disregard my professed intolerance for your actual intolerance. I do apologize. If he expects better than what he's getting, he should change his avatar to something less... dumb. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...80&forumid=8&s=
Read this thread. Pay particular attention to what Looney4Clooney states and also read this article (http://www.hometracked.com/2008/04/...-normalization/), incorrectly cited by poor, poor Skip, who misinterpreted it with somewhat disastrous results for his now shattered ego. In spite of the fact that Looney4Clooney is being something of a monumental ass, he is on point in that thread, more eloquent than I am when talking about sound and music, and has internets street cred; so we must give credit where credit is due. |
Man, I saw the start of that thread but never saw the conclusion. It looks like that really was the Skip killer right there - He actually hasn't posted since.
It's a shame in some ways as he was one of the old names I remember, but he was sometimes pretty adamant about things that he either didn't quite have the right info on or wouldn't believe you when you did.
Few people from that era have gone actually - where is Kit at these days? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i doubt that was the reason. HE made an honest mistake. I mean practically speaking , I guess you could consider normalizing non destructive. IT depends on how picky you want to get. I just felt like one upping him. And I have very little patience with djs.
i was 'nt a dick in that thread. But djRyan will always be on the but end of my shaft of truth sans le lubricant. |
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| DJRYAN� |
Okay, here's what I noticed. And usually, my ears don't decieve me. Last night, or rather this morning at like 4am I decided instead of watching a movie was gonna do a mix. So, I did.
House Sessions 2011 Disc II
http://djryan.com/sets/HouseSessionsII.mp3
Tracklisting:
001. Moonface - Know (So Greg Mak Remix)
002. Colin Dale - Joy (Tom Lennox 2 Minute Warning Dub)
003. Odiseas - Matter (Original Mix)
004. Onionz - Space Bass (Matt Masters Remix)
005. MICC - Stem (Original Mix)
006. Moojaa - Enchanted Frog (Tim Cook Remix)
007. Abyss - Echoes (Mitch Davis Remix)
008. Greg Make 0 At Midnight (Deeper Mood Remix)
009. Priority Symphony - Around My Head (Original Mix)
010. Sinan Kaya - I Can't Wait for the Weekend (Original Mix)
Afterwards, I felt like listening to what I just did and I noticed that there was "a" part or "two" that seemed a little loud. And it was bothersome mostly because the genre I was playing I wanted to remain somewhat flat.
Anyways, I ran it through Ableton, which like I said, searches for maximum amplitude, and then normalizes the entire track. Which, in this case, because I didn't create the mix in Ableton, and because it was one single track, either "dithered" it or "normaized" it.
But the result, after listening to the mix, was something comparable to a light compressor, or limiter hovering over the entire track. The loudness wasn't as noticable, and for some reason, I'd like to think that I heard a more equal level across the entire mix. So in this case, as I previously did, found it to be beneficial.
I even considered running an original or remix through as well, instead of a compressor due to its subtle but still noticable capability.
I was just asking to see if there was anything more definite than my ears theoretically or if I was just doing something I found a long the way that made something sound a little better.
Btw.. I like my levels. I pay attention to them 110% however, sometimes overlapping two songs simultaneously causes the overall track volume to increase and I want to even it out just a little bit. It was definitely not anything too significant.
Listen to Mix Here
EDIT:
Also, it seems as though this article substantiates my point. It "averages" the volume throughout the entire track. Thus, bringing down some of the loudness and increases volume in lower leveled tracks- over and beyond what I do on the mixer. But I didn't have the article to affirm my logic. |
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| skyhunter |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
If he expects better than what he's getting, he should change his avatar to something less... dumb. |
You think his is dumb... |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJRYAN�
Okay, here's what I noticed. And usually, my ears don't decieve me. Last night, or rather this morning at like 4am I decided instead of watching a movie was gonna do a mix. So, I did.
House Sessions 2011 Disc II
http://djryan.com/sets/HouseSessionsII.mp3
Tracklisting:
001. Moonface - Know (So Greg Mak Remix)
002. Colin Dale - Joy (Tom Lennox 2 Minute Warning Dub)
003. Odiseas - Matter (Original Mix)
004. Onionz - Space Bass (Matt Masters Remix)
005. MICC - Stem (Original Mix)
006. Moojaa - Enchanted Frog (Tim Cook Remix)
007. Abyss - Echoes (Mitch Davis Remix)
008. Greg Make 0 At Midnight (Deeper Mood Remix)
009. Priority Symphony - Around My Head (Original Mix)
010. Sinan Kaya - I Can't Wait for the Weekend (Original Mix)
Afterwards, I felt like listening to what I just did and I noticed that there was "a" part or "two" that seemed a little loud. And it was bothersome mostly because the genre I was playing I wanted to remain somewhat flat.
Anyways, I ran it through Ableton, which like I said, searches for maximum amplitude, and then normalizes the entire track. Which, in this case, because I didn't create the mix in Ableton, and because it was one single track, either "dithered" it or "normaized" it.
But the result, after listening to the mix, was something comparable to a light compressor, or limiter hovering over the entire track. The loudness wasn't as noticable, and for some reason, I'd like to think that I heard a more equal level across the entire mix. So in this case, as I previously did, found it to be beneficial.
I even considered running an original or remix through as well, instead of a compressor due to its subtle but still noticable capability.
I was just asking to see if there was anything more definite than my ears theoretically or if I was just doing something I found a long the way that made something sound a little better.
Btw.. I like my levels. I pay attention to them 110% however, sometimes overlapping two songs simultaneously causes the overall track volume to increase and I want to even it out just a little bit. It was definitely not anything too significant.
Listen to Mix Here
EDIT:
Also, it seems as though this article substantiates my point. It "averages" the volume throughout the entire track. Thus, bringing down some of the loudness and increases volume in lower leveled tracks- over and beyond what I do on the mixer. But I didn't have the article to affirm my logic. |
an rms normalizer would do what say the L2 does but without any control. Not really normalization but compression limiting with added gain. |
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