Back in "the good old days" lol, I used to get excited by the prospect of having a tune/remix released on good old vinyl. I think it was the prospect of actually having a physical copy of my track and potentially seeing it in some record shops, either on white label or an official label release. I think the idea (to me anyway) of it being on a 12" gave you some sort of kudos that you had got as far as having it pressed on vinyl.
These days you have no physical copy to hold, and you are just "another" entry on one of the many sites like beatport / itunes etc...
I realise it's just a sign of the times, some may even call it progress, but to me I just dont get excited by the prospect of seeing my tunes on one of the many download sites available.
I realise there may still be vinyl releases, but they are in the minority these days.
I dont really want this to be a thread about how times change etc... just wondering if anybody else feels along the same lines, or if I am in the minority and need to get with the times! lol
Raphie
Excitement is fully gone for me. I Don't check up on releases anymore as most of the digital labels don't make the payment threshold (or say they don't)
Nowadays you can master your track on monday and have it live on Beatport on tuesday, so releasing or being on Beatport is as simple as being on Soundcloud of Facebook :D
Unless you can sign with one of the big 5, don't bother with getting oyur track signed. your better of investing in a digital release contract with an aggregator yourself. As oyu then can track sales yourself as well.
tehlord
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Originally posted by Raphie
Nowadays you can master your track on monday and have it live on Beatport on tuesday, so releasing or being on Beatport is as simple as being on Soundcloud of Facebook :D
How so?
They require a 5 week lead
iloop
yes, it still excites me- the best part is having people comment on your hard work, nothing like getting positive feedback to help you continue your inspiration.
Akira_Kayosa
totally not the same,
just different these days
vinyl was important for me because
1. the label backed you and the track, (meant you was good enough to be signed, and for them to fund it, put effort in releasing)
2. in some respects (not totally) it acted as quality control, these days its a sea of whatever, bedroom labels, anyone recording a fart can release it.. but hey why not right? world we now live in and all
sales from even the top labels are poor, trust me, and for what it takes to top charts on all the portals, is a joke heh, barely a touch on 3 figure numbers!
its good to get stuff out there, see the artwork, radio plays, label promoting it etc.. but these days is really as far as it goes, compilation appearances etc also i might add..
with such a turn over in records each week, anthems simply are not made anymore, a track is old after one radio play, 2 weeks since release - its done..
:wtf:
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by Akira_Kayosa
totally not the same,
vinyl was important for me because
My fave artist just now is releasing some tracks on vinyl only which I find intruiging, and this here is the best music in the world for me just now, so warmmm and organic:
it was hot topic at ADE Next, most techno labels etc are vinyl only still, or release collection editions of releases, which is cool
goto love the vinyl, i have 3000 sat here in my studio :)
meriter
if you don't get excited then why are you doing it in the first place?
EDIT: btw vinyl has never acted as "quality control" really there was tons of garbage pressed to vinyl then and there's tons of garbage being pressed to vinyl now, only now no ones buying it.
iloop
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Originally posted by meriter
if you don't get excited then why are you doing it in the first place?
EDIT: btw vinyl has never acted as "quality control" really there was tons of garbage pressed to vinyl then and there's tons of garbage being pressed to vinyl now, only no ones buying it now.
^^^ yep, totally agree. just because its on vinyl doesn't mean anything more for me except that it's on an outdated medium that is carcinogenic to humans.
furthermore; just because its a free release, doesn't detract from the fact the music is amazing.
yes the physicality of it and the money/time that goes into a release makes the release more know and drawing from a bigger audience makes your release more know therefore more liked + makes it palpable- but music is for listening to, you can't actually touch it anyway- it touches you with vibration.
and that goes for all music- if 50cent spends 1mill promoting his release you can guarantee it will be more listened to/liked than if i put out a track on junodownload and spend 20hours promoting it- even thought mine could be an outstanding track- the more resources that goes into a release, the more return.
iloop
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
My fave artist just now is releasing some tracks on vinyl only which I find intruiging, and this here is the best music in the world for me just now, so warmmm and organic:
how is this NOT Techy techno, crispy and crunchy?
I can't hear any organic sound.
all i hear is quantized rhythms with white noise builds...
am i missing something?
Nemesis44
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Originally posted by meriter
if you don't get excited then why are you doing it in the first place?
EDIT: btw vinyl has never acted as "quality control" really there was tons of garbage pressed to vinyl then and there's tons of garbage being pressed to vinyl now, only no ones buying it now.
Funny you should mention that, I heard a statistic that vinyl sales are the highest they have been for 20 years. The difference is that it's mainly second hand stuff that is being traded.
I agree with the notion that vinyl was never a quality control, the amount of serious crap I used to be sent as promos used to amaze me.
Actually I find that the idea of getting signed still excites me, not in the same way it used to I have to admit, but the feeling is still there.
I still have tons of vinyl going back as early as 1978 when I first started getting interested in owning music.
I think one major difference is that these days, although you can give someone a gift card for downloads, it's not the same as receiving an LP or 12" back in the day as a present.
On the whole, there are still anthems out there, I spend a lot of time in clubland and people will have their favourites and there will be tracks that work a certain magic, I think the trance generation just grew up and lost interest in a lot of cases. Not as many people listen to it these days. I hardly even get to DJ on a trance night these days and as a result my productions have reduced in BPM drastically and well, sound like the Dirtbox Divas.
I think the ratio of talent vs crap has stayed the same in my opinion, on the other hand, something that has happened slightly is that the boundries that people are willing to push has changed and I think more people play it safe these days, with too much emphasis on production and not enough on artistic content.
Cheers
Nem
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by iloop
how is this NOT Techy techno, crispy and crunchy?
I can't hear any organic sound.
all i hear is quantized rhythms with white noise builds...
am i missing something?
Ok for me this is an example of a producer making his synths sound organic, not like a violin, but organic in the sense they seem to sing in his hands, the way the sounds are constructed, the way the evolve - I can almost imagine the synths growling like big cats.
Lots of use of nice room treatment (or room type verbs) on sounds too which for me captures something.
Also there is a looseness in the rythmic interplay.
I guess it's like a fiery hot curry, you either love it or hate it (I'm a chilli / hot food fanatic whereas my neighbour likes everything totaly plain - heated meat vegetables I call his food:stongue: ).
