Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
does machine exist as just a program ? Or is it a hybrid only ?
You can't buy it as a standalone, but the software will operate in standalone mode (i.e., without the h/w unit connected).
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I like battery but honestly, i mean they should just have a cell style layout for kontakt if you want. it is purely a visual thing that makes battery appealling.
That's a good point. Seems that a few developers (e.g., Steven Slate) are releasing drum instruments for Kontakt, so I'm surprised that they haven't implemented a Battery/MPC-style interface module for it.
Looney4Clooney
you have machine right ? Is it stable ? How does it integrate with your DAW ? Does it show up as instrument with multi outs ? Can you run several instruments with stereo outs ?
It have this aversion to things that look like Rap producers might buy. not a race thing, i just think rap producers are just ing aweful.
I plan to start making EDM in the new year.
cryophonik
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
you have machine right ? Is it stable ? How does it integrate with your DAW ? Does it show up as instrument with multi outs ? Can you run several instruments with stereo outs ?
Yes, I have had my Maschine for a couple of years now. It's very stable and NI updates it with improvements and bug fixes pretty regularly. It integrates perfectly with Sonar, Studio One (both VST) and Pro Tools 9 (RTAS) and it works very well in standalone mode. IIRC you're using Logic, right? I'm not sure if there are any problems with the Mac version, but I don't see many complaint threads.
As for routing, you have tons of flexibility there. It shows up with 16 stereo outputs and you can assign pads, groups, instruments, etc. to each output. Each pads has slots for effects (built-in or 3rd party plugins). TBH, I typically don't use third party instrument plugins within Maschine when I'm using it in my DAW because it's not as flexible as just using them in the DAW itself. I will occasionally use a third party effect plugin within Maschine, though (e.g., if I want to route several snares or kick drums to one Maschine group and compress them with Pro-Q). The drag-n-drop functionality is great, too - you can sequence parts within Maschine and drag either the MIDI or have it bounce down to audio by just dragging it into your host.
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by MSZ
that sounds very good man, get it.
I think my Wife has it on my Xmas list, damned I'll be itching to get into the studio on Xmas day, that will down down well!!
J.L.
It's sad that Native Instruments did not put much more thought into battery, although I always felt the interface was a bit clunky and a bit convoluted and not very smooth. I really like the independent fx on every sample and the way to change parameters on any number of selected samples.
However, Maschine has caught my eye, especially with the get 2 free add-ons promotion and $100 off the Audio Komplete 6 promotions. The only thing about Native Instruments that confuses me is why they feel the need to release things on so many platforms. Ie. Kontakt, Kore, Reaktor, Battery, and Maschine. It's not a huge problem since I own them, but i wish they would find a way to conglomerate all of those products into a more unified product line, which they are starting to do by ceasing development on Battery.
However, I think from the business side of things, they are smart. Since consumers don't want to buy a new version of something, but rather releasing constantly completely different yet similar to get people to shell out their cash.
cryophonik
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Originally posted by J.L.
...why they feel the need to release things on so many platforms. Ie. Kontakt, Kore, Reaktor, Battery, and Maschine.
And, don't forget their new Studio Drums (or whatever it's called).
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Originally posted by J.L.
...conglomerate all of those products into a more unified product line, which they are starting to do by ceasing development on Battery.
Just to clarify my earlier statement, I don't think that NI plans on discontinuing Battery 3 anytime soon. I actually recall seeing some threads a few months ago just after the Kore2 discontinuation announcement/debacle where NI reps said that there are no plans to discontinue B3.
But, to your point, I think that NI is actually trying to do more or less what you suggested by focusing on Maschine and essentially making it more DAW-like. One of the cool things about this new paradigm is that you can load Battery 3 as an instrument into Maschine and have the best of both worlds. It's a very powerful approach, but, to be honest, I haven't taken the time to explore it that much.
Sean Walsh
I just checked out Nerve as well and am thinking of getting it. Have you had much time to play with it? Worth it?
E: just to be a little more specific, it seems like a great tool for quickly getting some drum-fill type effects that I personally find add tons of spice to any house track. yay/nay?
cryophonik
Yeah, I actually used it quite a bit last night. It's got a very intuitive workflow and, yes, it's pretty easy to get some good fills going with the repeat function and with some of the gate effects, etc. I'm sure that I'll discover even more ways to get fills and transitions going as I dig deeper.
I owned Guru and Geist previously, but I got rid of them because they just didn't fit my way of thinking the way that Nerve does.
Sean Walsh
Excellent, thanks. I'll be getting both of these tools on the weekend.
cryophonik
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Originally posted by Sean Walsh
Excellent, thanks. I'll be getting both of these tools on the weekend.
Vids to check out. The second vid will give you some great ideas for building fills with Nerve. I am loving Nerve - Steve Duda is a brilliant developer!
MSZ
duda should make daw. i'd buy it.
Looney4Clooney
i don't really see the point of this to be honest. Use Kontakt and your daw. THe biggest downside is well first the rigid quantization settings. It should be required for any sequencer type tool to take midi data.
