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Islamist smacks a right wing radical (pg. 3)
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
not exactly true. try riding your bike through south williamsburg or borough park here in brooklyn after temple lets out. people actually will block your path. well maybe not you :p
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Oh yea? Well that's definitely not right then. |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by zyklon-jay
what is their political motivation adam?;) |
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edit: and if you mean within the context of Israeli politics (which you probably don't, since I doubt you'd be following that) well it's different because it's a Jewish state and they just want it to be more Jewish. But it ain't gonna happen anyway. |
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| srussell0018 |
| Manifest Destiny? |
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| zyklon-jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
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for their followers;) |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by zyklon-jay
for their followers;) |
ok so? Still not a basis for real comparison. And anyway I hate those people so I'm not going to defend them. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Oh yea? Well that's definitely not right then. |
well it's not, but the point is nobody is 'right'. everyone is at least a little xenophobic, ultimately everyone just wants the best for the people who they care about most. the problem is when your idea of 'the best' is illegal according to law created by everyone else. this is why i follow jay when he says to live within expectation of your host society.
i mean, unless of course you are waging culture war, in which case do what you want, but don't expect people to like you for it. |
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| zyklon-jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
ok so? Still not a basis for real comparison. And anyway I hate those people so I'm not going to defend them. |
when you want land to be populated based on religious belief, it is more for religious reasons than political reasons. No one is saying you are defending them adam, i'm only pointing out the fallacy in saying that it is a political movement.
How is this any different than islamists that are proposing Sharia law controlled neighbourhoods in London? Same idea, different funny clothing. |
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| Adam420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
live within expectation of your host society. |
Well that's pretty much what I subscribe to. I am an immigrant an I think I have done a good job of that in the 12 years I've been here. And I have respect for any fellow immigrant that does so as well. |
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| zyklon-jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Land
edit: and if you mean within the context of Israeli politics (which you probably don't, since I doubt you'd be following that) well it's different because it's a Jewish state and they just want it to be more Jewish. But it ain't gonna happen anyway. |
sounds like Iran 30 years ago;)
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Adam420
Guys, don't forget burkas cover the face as well. I grew up in Israel and generally in that part of the world women don't wear burkas, they wear hijabs which are fine because they don't cover the face as well. burkas are ing scary, hijabs are not. If anything there should be laws about not covering up your face. It has nothing to do with Islam, but the fact that women are walking around all covered up. I'm sorry, but that is ing scary, especially when you see it everywhere in such an old nation like England. |
Hijabs can also be a problem. Women sometimes wear them due to social pressures - although admittedly, some wear them because they want to. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
One of the most annoying redneck-isms I can think of is when people say like "love it or leave it" with regards to your country.
Firstly, " YOU, YOU LEAVE" I believe is most people's first and most natural reaction. Understandable.
Secondly, it's not exactly a smooth process immigrating to another country - much less the fact that when you arrive in this new country, completely changing your outlook and appearance to socialize better, which is really the crux of this whole debate.
Third, and I think most importantly, the entire POINT of democracy is that people will have a say. Not an elite cadre of manipulative politicians (I know, I know... things are what they are), but the overall populace will have a vote and a voice. Whether this is by way of electing officials to speak for them in a telescopic republic scenario, the essence is still very much the same. The point is that if a government or a society has rules or laws prohibiting this or that, these rules are MEANT to be changed by the will of the people. That's the power. If the people are largely consistent of rag ninjas, then everyone needs to respect that their representative government recognizes these citizens and their say; even when it means compromising their conservative sentiment. After all, that's what sort of country you chose to live in, right? |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by zyklon-jay
burkas are a security risk. As far as religion goes, i find the use of them archaic and demeaning to women, but the security issue is what bothers me the most.
Could you imagine if everyone decided to wear ski masks all of the time? If i walk around a mall wearing a ski mask for instance, I am pretty sure that it would be less than 5 minutes before i was accosted by security or police.
We had looney tunes a few years back that tried to argue that forcing women to remove them for drivers license and passport pictures was unconstitutional. Can you imagine this?
People should be allow to practice whatever religion that they choose without persecution or bias...that being said, if certain aspects of their religion do not conform to the laws or standard practices of their new resident country of choice, they should really go somewhere that caters to them instead of expecting their new host country to change to accommodate them.
If they have no intention of integrating themselves into the society of their choice, they should simply be denied the opportunity to do so.
Many respectable muslim people have done that here without compromising their religion or their ability to practice it. These are the model citizens we want. Those who seek asylum in a place they do not want to truly have any part in can right off and should remind themselves why they left their country of origin to begin with.
If i go to a Muslim country with my gf, she will cover her head out of respect to local custom even if it is against our beliefs. You choose to go somewhere, you must live with the expectation of said society. No excuses. |
Really well put Jay, I agree completely.
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
rag ninjas |
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