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| Vector A |
Hardly anyone does anything to "help this forum" anymore. It is all a bunch of complaints about the state of the forum and the state of today's music, plus a bunch flaming of moronic newbies.
Nobody has any investment in the place -- not that I blame them, why would you care much about a silly message board? So why would they want to put some real effort into making worthwhile posts when they can get the cheap satisfaction of digging into some idiots? It's tough to care when you know anything nice and helpful you write will quickly get swamped out by questions from a bunch of muppets who forgot how to use Google, followed by dozens of replies ridiculing them.
The only useful threads left seem to be the recommendation ones and links to tutorials on other sites. So on with those, I guess. |
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| Constantin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Hardly anyone does anything to "help this forum" anymore. It is all a bunch of complaints about the state of the forum and the state of today's music, plus a bunch flaming of moronic newbies.
Nobody has any investment in the place -- not that I blame them, why would you care much about a silly message board? So why would they want to put some real effort into making worthwhile posts when they can get the cheap satisfaction of digging into some idiots? It's tough to care when you know anything nice and helpful you write will quickly get swamped out by questions from a bunch of muppets who forgot how to use Google, followed by dozens of replies ridiculing them.
The only useful threads left seem to be the recommendation ones and links to tutorials on other sites. So on with those, I guess. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Hardly anyone does anything to "help this forum" anymore. |
First off, I disagree. Look through the first few pages and you'll see that the majority of threads have legitimate questions or information and informative responses. In regard to helping this forum, I treat it the same way as I always have - if a newb is too lazy to help himself, he will get a much-deserved flaming. The problem, as I see it, is that every newb that asks a question on this forum lately has put forth zero effort to even narrow down their question to something that can be answered. They want everything to be spoon-fed to them so that they can "sound like teh pros" without having to even turn on their brains. Personally, I am not going to go out of my way to help someone like this guy, when his lame, generic question gets asked and answered every other day and could be found using a simple search, or even looking at the same page as the one he is posting on to see how lame his question is. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Hardly anyone does anything to "help this forum" anymore. It is all a bunch of complaints about the state of the forum and the state of today's music, plus a bunch flaming of moronic newbies.
Nobody has any investment in the place -- not that I blame them, why would you care much about a silly message board? So why would they want to put some real effort into making worthwhile posts when they can get the cheap satisfaction of digging into some idiots? It's tough to care when you know anything nice and helpful you write will quickly get swamped out by questions from a bunch of muppets who forgot how to use Google, followed by dozens of replies ridiculing them.
The only useful threads left seem to be the recommendation ones and links to tutorials on other sites. So on with those, I guess. |
I beg to differ. DJRYAN has started threads which ask serious questions and have evolved into serious discussion. RobbyRox has, as well. There are others who come in and inquire about theory - from beginning to intermediate. Part of the problem is that these nuisance threads function as a distraction, however I've acknowledged where a couple of them have evolved into interesting discussion, in their own right. That said, I think the visibility of Topic 86 has become a distraction unto itself and enough of a point has been made that there is little utility to posting it in every thread deemed unfit, rolling forward.
I will, however, continue to catalog them. |
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| cryophonik |
Top ick ate sicks
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| Vector A |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
First off, I disagree. Look through the first few pages and you'll see that the majority of threads have legitimate questions or information and informative responses. In regard to helping this forum, I treat it the same way as I always have - if a newb is too lazy to help himself, he will get a much-deserved flaming. The problem, as I see it, is that every newb that asks a question on this forum lately has put forth zero effort to even narrow down their question to something that can be answered. They want everything to be spoon-fed to them so that they can "sound like teh pros" without having to even turn on their brains. Personally, I am not going to go out of my way to help someone like this guy, when his lame, generic question gets asked and answered every other day and could be found using a simple search, or even looking at the same page as the one he is posting on to see how lame his question is. |
I have no interest in helping the people who want everything handed to them, either. But my question is: why even spend the time calling them idiots and pointing out just how idiotic they are, and then arguing with anyone who disagrees? And in the process bumping those stupid threads every time a post is made in them...
Why not just ignore them? |
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| meriter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Hardly anyone does anything to "help this forum" anymore. It is all a bunch of complaints about the state of the forum and the state of today's music, plus a bunch flaming of moronic newbies.
Nobody has any investment in the place -- not that I blame them, why would you care much about a silly message board? So why would they want to put some real effort into making worthwhile posts when they can get the cheap satisfaction of digging into some idiots? It's tough to care when you know anything nice and helpful you write will quickly get swamped out by questions from a bunch of muppets who forgot how to use Google, followed by dozens of replies ridiculing them.
The only useful threads left seem to be the recommendation ones and links to tutorials on other sites. So on with those, I guess. |
This isn't a fair statement. I've received metric loads of help on this forum. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
But my question is: why even spend the time calling them idiots and pointing out just how idiotic they are, and then arguing with anyone who disagrees? |
Show me where I did either of those.
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
A MIDI device is anything that is equipped with MIDI. Do you need a controller, an interface, a synth, or what? Have you tried the search function? |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Have you tried any of these?
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My attitude may suck toward people who keep asking the same f###ing questions over and over and over, but at least I led the horses to water - they can figure out the drinking part for themselves. |
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| Vector A |
| I was not talking about you in particular. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
I was not talking about you in particular. |
Oh, OK. :) |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
Why not just ignore them? |
They get bumped, regardless. I've been careful about imposing my view that no one should answer them but when they have been answered - even by well-meaning members - some of these threads are still prone to being sources of conflict. This thread, not withstanding, the totality and frequency of them asks if there is not a way of addressing them which 1) quietly disposes of them once they occur, 2) does so in a way that benefits everyone, including the OP, and 3) discourages their being posted, in the first place.
One of the reasons I'm continuing to catalog them is because many of them, as cryo pointed to, earlier, ask repeat questions. It's been acknowledged by other members that they reveal a fundamental deficit of knowledge. Is there a resource that has been made or could be, that would address this deficit in a way that is constructive?
In some regards you're right: that responding to them, in the way they are getting responded to, is now magnifying the problem. I think that's a suitably persuasive argument for doing exactly as you suggest and ignoring them, from here on out. I still think it warrants exploration and I don't think it's a problem which is suitably minimized by ignoring it. I do agree, however, that posting responses is fruitless. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
They get bumped, regardless. |
Exactly - usually by the OP after not getting a response, at a minimum. So IMO it's best to:
(1) direct them to where they can find the answer for themselves,
(2) hopefully get the point across that it's pretty lame to ask really vague/general questions that can be easily answered by putting a tiny bit of effort into it, and
(3) discourage them (via a little bit of intimidation or embarrassment, if necessary) from continuing to ask lame questions in the future without first trying to answer it for themselves. |
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