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| Tom_cowan |
| Arent AMDs easier to over clock? Iv got an XP2200 and its fast enough for me and is very stable. |
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| DjHeavy |
Intel CPU's work way better for audio work then the AMD counterparts.
My current set up...
Computer:
Intel P3 800mHz
Asus CUV-4X Motherboard
576 Megs of PC133 RAM
Riva TNT2 64Mb Video Card
Western Digital 20Gb 7200 RPM Hard Drive
Sony CDR 4x CD Writer
Sony CD 24x CD-ROM
19" Monitor
Opcode DAT Port (Digital Interface)
Pro Audio Gear:
Tascam DA20mkII (Pro DAT Recorder)
Marantz CDR630 (Pro CD Recorder)
Fostex DP8 (Digital Patch Bay)
I am currently running Win98 bare bones. Recording/mastering software in use is Steinberg WaveLab.
Everything is done digitally, except for the original recording, so there is no loss of signal.
This set up has proven to be a fantastic recording/production studio. If anyone wants to contact me further, please do so.
Darryl
aka Dj Heavy
http://djheavy.cjb.net
[email protected]:toocool: |
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| dj_inferno |
| Currently I'm using a AMD 1.33 T-Bird with 512 sdram and it satisfys my needs...I'm useing fruity with about 3 to 5 VSTi and a buch of FX on easch son and its not hurting the processor....I had a 1.8 P4 with 512 DDR and I noticed that it encoded MP3 quicker with cool edit...I had a problem with the P4 and 98se and using fruity....solved it whe upgraded to me...Thats my 2 cents |
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| fzrr |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancevision
For my Audio Appliactions like Reason and Samplitude( but later perhaps Cubase ) I am considering a new board with a cpu at least as twice as fast as my Intel Celeron with 600Mhz...
Which AMD / Intel do you recommened for me ?
Trancevision |
It's all much of a muchness these days. I think you would be happy with either. You get more for your money from an AMD chip though...at least you do where i'm from. |
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| Tranzmit |
It's got fark all to do with the CPU and EVERYTHING to do with the chipset. Intel chipsets are very stable so audio production and intel go well together even though intel are actually slower then AMD (AMD have released a 2800+ which kicks intel bottom). If you're going to get an AMD pair it with a stable and reliable chipset/motherboard combo like the Nvidia Nforce2 which has dual DDR ram channels and is stable and fast as.
I'm using a
Xp2000+ overclocked from 1.667Ghz to 1.8Ghz
512mb DDR ram
Asus A7V266-E
60 + 15 GB ATA 100 HDD
Geforce3 Ti 128mb
Live! running modified drivers for studio production and 5ms latencies using VST
Intel PRO100 NIC |
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| xfer |
Sorry tranzmit, but thats bull . I have no idea were you get your info but maybe you didn't realize that AMD only has a 2600. The 2800 hasn't even hit the market yet not even for hardware testing. Intel just came out with a P4/2800 chipset @2.8 ghz , with 533 FSB and 512 L2 cache. AMD still uses 133 or 166 on the FSB wich really makes a diference. If you dont believe me i got proof. All the tests show intel is on top.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020826/
AMD is going to have to pull something outta there ass to take over the speed race now :P |
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| Tom_cowan |
| Right, iv got an XP2200 and quite fancy overclocking it:D Is there any useful sites where i can go or any advice anyone wants to give me? Cheers. |
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| Tranzmit |
| quote: | Originally posted by xfer
Sorry tranzmit, but thats bull . I have no idea were you get your info but maybe you didn't realize that AMD only has a 2600. The 2800 hasn't even hit the market yet not even for hardware testing. Intel just came out with a P4/2800 chipset @2.8 ghz , with 533 FSB and 512 L2 cache. AMD still uses 133 or 166 on the FSB wich really makes a diference. If you dont believe me i got proof. All the tests show intel is on top.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020826/
AMD is going to have to pull something outta there ass to take over the speed race now :P |
Where did i get my information? Oh thats right i'm a computer hardware technician! lol
Ok the reason why I'm saying the AMD is better for audio production is because even though the P4 has higher clock frequencies and as such higher fsb's and consequently higher bandwidth the P4 was initially designed as a great processor but to cut costs they castrated the FPU of the chip which is where the Athlon excels, also realise that the P4 has 20 pipelines compared to the athons 10 which means the Athlon is doing twice the work of a P4 and because it's got so many pipes it's got a big problem with branch mispredictions but thats what you have to put up with. AMD have released the 2800+ but unfortunately not in bulk but i believe alienware have been assigned some for their high end machines.
The AMD Hammer being released soon will bring x86-64 bit computing as well as higher fsb's and the best memory controllers in the industry as it's being built on die. I suggest you do some reasearch on CPU architecture to help you understand exactly what you want out of a processor and whats good for you and your software
A review of the 2800+ and Nforce 2 |
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| Tranzmit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tom_cowan
Right, iv got an XP2200 and quite fancy overclocking it:D Is there any useful sites where i can go or any advice anyone wants to give me? Cheers. |
I don't recommend it for the beginner but if you do want to continue then do so at your own risk.
since you're at the top of the thoroughbread "A" stepping (Athlon XP) you're going to be running very hot unless you've got good cooling. This is VERY important as heat is a big problem with the 2200's.
Go into the bios of your motherboard at boot and (i'm assuming you have a motherboard capable of fsb adjustment) change the fsb from 133 up to say 145 and restart the machine. See if it can POST properly and boot into windows and run it for an hour stable. If problems occur then either lower the fsb down a bit or adjust some of the memory timings (For example reduce cas latency a bit). If stable then go back to the bios and increase the fsb up a few more. Remember that increasing your FSB will run your memory and peripherals like AGP card, hard drives, NIC, all your PCI cards at higher speeds then designed for so find a balance.
I'd recommend you change the multiplier of the CPU but it's a 2200+ here so that isn't necessary and unlocking Athlons isn't for the faint of heart.
if you want to continue then read this |
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| lexiconavenue |
| quote: | Originally posted by xfer
...AMD still uses 133 or 166 on the FSB wich really makes a diference. If you dont believe me i got proof. All the tests show intel is on top.... |
harhar..
everybody in there right mind knows that amd is reliable power and intel is just unstable speed. amd's quantispeed architecture can run circles around pentium's when it comes to pure application-based processing power... :D:D |
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| Tom_cowan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tranzmit
I don't recommend it for the beginner but if you do want to continue then do so at your own risk.
since you're at the top of the thoroughbread "A" stepping (Athlon XP) you're going to be running very hot unless you've got good cooling. This is VERY important as heat is a big problem with the 2200's.
Go into the bios of your motherboard at boot and (i'm assuming you have a motherboard capable of fsb adjustment) change the fsb from 133 up to say 145 and restart the machine. See if it can POST properly and boot into windows and run it for an hour stable. If problems occur then either lower the fsb down a bit or adjust some of the memory timings (For example reduce cas latency a bit). If stable then go back to the bios and increase the fsb up a few more. Remember that increasing your FSB will run your memory and peripherals like AGP card, hard drives, NIC, all your PCI cards at higher speeds then designed for so find a balance.
I'd recommend you change the multiplier of the CPU but it's a 2200+ here so that isn't necessary and unlocking Athlons isn't for the faint of heart.
if you want to continue then read this |
My FSB maximum is 133 but im guesing i can get a different bios to run it higher. Is there ne way to know whether the processor is overheating? (other than waiting for smoke to start pouring out)
Cheers for the help:D |
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| Tom_cowan |
| I had a look at the tutorial thing, now it looks like i cant do the FSB thing coz im running 266MHz ram and i think it would break if i run it ne faster(correct me if im wrong). So i looked at changing the multiplier and its obviously possible but as im running a 2200 the heat generated would be emmense if i overclocked it. Let me just get one thing straight, if i overclock it and it overheats whats gonna happen? Is it just gonna freeze or totally break? Cheers again. |
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