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President B. Obama "for change"
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| djjoshuaallen |
Man, where are all the TA's that had this guys back 4 years ago. I know R!CH and a few others dont post here much anymore, but is this the change you were referring to?
Is it to early to call this guys bull and say I told you so? This may be some of the worst legislation our country has seen in generations. Ive seen zero evidence for any change regarding the economy, politics in DC, or anything else in the guys bogus campaign from 2008. Here is a big change in our civil rights and protection from our government about to be signed into legislature at any moment. And very little media attention if any has been given.
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-detent...to-defense-853/
ps. Its probably bush's fault:conf: |
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| Sadface |
| At some point you have to stop making excuses and just admit that he's a giant ing . It's depressing, but I've reached that point by now. The part that makes me feel even worse is that I'll still have to vote for him because whoever the republicans get up there is going to be even worse. |
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| DaveT |
He hasn't done well, but people pro-obama can go off about things has done in a lot of areas, but not to the extent of what he promised. I've read lists and compared to what Mr. Bush did, he's done a lot in the end.
That said, I don't get into politics myself (because they are ruining this country like they have many others around the world) and won't come across as an expert. I do follow what's going on (I like knowing current events)
From what I do kno, in 2008 our country was screwed because you can't actually believe McCain & Palin would have been even remotely as good. And we will be just as screwed in 2012 -- just look at the GOP candidates.
I would actually be interested in seeing what Hillary could do . She's by far the most qualified (outside of having no military experience) and has proven she can get things done. But Obama would have to step aside after his first time, and he isn't going to do that. |
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| jonmitz |
meet the new boss, same as the old boss
good: http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/
bad: http://whatthehellhasobamadonesofar.com/
OWS:
It's the system, not the man. Doesn't matter who is president next, it's going to be the same until the American populace wakes up and there are changes made to the way the entire government is run. That's not going to happen as long as they get a new TV and couch every few years
e: yeah that's an overly simplistic view, but this is TA |
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| djjoshuaallen |
We may have a flawed two party system, but one man can make quite an influence in 8 years. Further evidence of the direction of his agenda "for change"
http://www.zerohedge.com/contribute...nment-criticism
Leading American Internet businessmen warn that the draconian anti-piracy bill copyright on the verge of being passed by Congress would let the US government use censorship techniques "similar to those used by China, Malaysia and Iran."
If you want to know what the United States would look like after these bills are passed, just look at what's been happening in Russia. The Russian government has been crushing dissent under the pretext of enforcing copyright law.
As the New York Times noted last year:
Across Russia, the security services have carried out dozens of similar raids against outspoken advocacy groups or opposition newspapers in recent years. Security officials say the inquiries reflect their concern about software piracy, which is rampant in Russia. Yet they rarely if ever carry out raids against advocacy groups or news organizations that back the government.
[A] review of these cases indicates that the security services often seize computers whether or not they contain illegal software. The police immediately filed reports saying they had discovered such programs, before even examining the computers in detail. The police claims have in numerous instances been successfully discredited by defendants when the cases go before judges.
The plainclothes officers who descended upon the Baikal Wave headquarters said they were from the division that investigated commercial crime. But the environmentalists said they noticed at least one officer from the antiextremism department, which tracks opposition activists and had often conducted surveillance on the group.
Baikal Wave’s leaders said they had known that the authorities used such raids to pressure advocacy groups, so they had made certain that all their software was legal.
But they quickly realized how difficult it would be to defend themselves.
They said they told the officers that they were mistaken, pulling out receipts and original Microsoft packaging to prove that the software was not pirated. The police did not appear to take that into consideration. A supervising officer issued a report on the spot saying that illegal software had been uncovered
Before the raid, the environmentalists said their computers were affixed with Microsoft’s “Certificate of Authenticity” stickers that attested to the software’s legality. But as the computers were being hauled away, they noticed something odd: the stickers were gone
In all, 12 computers were confiscated. The group’s Web site was disabled, its finances left in disarray, its plans disclosed to the authorities.
The police also obtained personnel information from the computers. In the following weeks, officers tracked down some of the group’s supporters and interrogated them.
“The police had one goal, which was to prevent us from working,” said Galina Kulebyakina, a co-chairwoman of Baikal Wave. “They removed our computers because we actively took a position against the paper factory and forcefully voiced it.”
“They can do pretty much what they want, with impunity,” she said.
Mr. Kurt-Adzhiyev said he now realized that the authorities were not so much interested in convictions as in harassing opponents. Even if the inquiries are abandoned, they are debilitating when they require months to defend.
Since the American copyright bills (SOPA and PIPA) target online activities, the same thing happening to Russian critics' computers could happen to the websites of any Americans who criticize the government, the too big to fail banks, or any of the other powers-that-be.
Indeed, the American copyright bill is modeled after the Chinese system. As I noted Monday:
Given that Joe Lieberman said that America needs an internet kill switch like China, that the U.S. economy has turned socialist (at least for friends of those with control of the money spigot), and that the U.S. government used communist Chinese torture techniques specifically designed to produce false confessions in order to sell the Iraq war, I guess that the bill’s Chinese-style censorship is not entirely surprising.
Of course, it might seem over-the-top to worry about copyright laws being used to stifle government criticism in America ... if it weren't for the fact that:
Some folks have alleged that copyright infringers are terrorists. See this, this, this and this
The U.S. government has been using anti-terrorism laws to crush dissent
In modern America, questioning war, protesting anything, asking questions about pollution or about Wall Street shenanigans, supporting Ron Paul, being a libertarian, holding gold, stocking up on more than 7 days of food, or liking the Founding Fathers may get you labeled as a suspected terrorist
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| hadi burpee |
i think this is a better article
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16192472
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The bill passed after the White House lifted a veto threat, noting "several important changes" had been made. It is likely to go to the Senate on Thursday. |
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The law will require that the military take custody of terrorism suspects but safeguards the president's ability to prosecute detainees in the civilian justice system.
US citizens would be exempt from this provision, and affirms that the changes would not affect US law enforcement agencies.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said the bill "does not challenge the president's ability to collect intelligence, incapacitate dangerous terrorists and protect the American people." |
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| drEamer |
| cant help that Bush and his cronies ed us up that bad |
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| djjoshuaallen |
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In the most scrutinised parts of the legislation, the bill would deny terror suspects - including US citizens - of the right to trial and would permit indefinite detention.
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innocent until proven guilty, unless your accuser is the US goverment. |
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| JescoSF |
| quote: | Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
ps. Its probably bush's fault:conf: |
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haha. |
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| Sadface |
| quote: | Originally posted by djjoshuaallen
innocent until proven guilty, unless your accuser is the US goverment. |
Yeah. Much is made about obama demanding certain provisions, but really all they do is ensure that he control over what happens, whether or not they get turned over to regular law enforcement instead of the military. Basically he gets even more power than he would have otherwise, but it's being spun as though he did all of us a favor. Ridiculous. |
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| djjoshuaallen |
| quote: | Originally posted by JescoSF
+1
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lol. ohhh I remember those deep conversations in your back yard 4 years ago. I figured this is about all you would have at this point.:tongue3
Id love to revist that day with you and Janet over some xmas eggnog next week |
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