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Request for constructive critism please. (pg. 2)
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| DJRYAN™ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
People from here comment on threads over at the MP forum quite a bit. It's not all "wow cool track" or "nice job keep it up", I have gotten a lot of decent technical feedback from there.
And like you said, this whole place is full of producers. If every one of us felt it was alright to post new tracks here whenever we make them, this section would very quickly turn into what the MP forum exists for. Which would discourage people from coming to this section in the exact same way the MP forum discourages you from visiting it. Part of the reason this place gets so much more attention is because we don't have to sift through a ton of "new song need criticism pls" threads to get to the real discussions.
I wish there was a way to get better feedback, but it really boils down to people taking time to listen to your music critically, and give you detailed feedback, with no real reward to themselves. It's going to be hard to find a large group of people who are willing to do that -- your odds are higher if you do more than just "drop off your track" and hope for the best. If everyone did that, every single thread in that forum would have 0 replies. You take what you put into it, at least that's been my experience. |
I agree with everything you say. And I don't feel like this thread intrudes on our sovereignty. Every once in awhile its okay for someone to come in here and consult with people who don't necessairly visit the other forum. I have to admit I grew tired of sifting through threads over there which may or maynot have included decent music and I definitely put feedback in. But when it gets down to it, the Producers Promotion Forum, I don't think, is for things like this. Do you agree?
I mean just looking at the title:
Music Producers Promotion
This is where you can promote that new track you've been hammering away at for what seems like forever
It says exactly what its for.
Now look at this forum:
Production Studio
Where loops, samples, sequencing and (sometimes) vocals come together
Although its kind of vague in its description its exactly what you, me and the rest of us have made it. A place to come in and find out what's going on in the world of production. Its also become a place to exchange ideas, thoughts and opinions of new VSTs and how to become a better producer with tutorials etc..
I don't see these sort of thigns in the other forum.
So, how could the other forum be a better place for this kind of thread.
If I was finished with a track, I'd put it over there. But if I wanted to have someone give me advice, I still think this is the place. But you're right, having a million threads asking for this would just blow my mind. That's why I think its appropriate to find a comprable thread, and maybe post it in there.
Like, if there was a thread talking about "drum sequencing" and you wanted someone to give advice on "drum sequencing" ... Sure! Share you track in there..
But creating a new thread for the sole purpose of critiquing an entire track.. Yea not so much.. Although I do think it should be tolerated... To a point.. . |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJRYAN™
But creating a new thread for the sole purpose of critiquing an entire track.. Yea not so much.. Although I do think it should be tolerated... To a point.. . |
Well, it is tolerated, if you've given enough to this community to expect them to help you out by giving broad criticism on a new production. But OP is a new member, relatively inexperienced, looking for constructive criticism or "little tips" to help him improve. That's not very far off from what they'd get in the MP forum.
The way I see it, asking for detailed, specific and knowledgeable advice from the people who frequent this forum is basically asking them a favor. Nobody comes here to listen to bedroom producers' tracks and give them feedback, so when it happens, the level of tolerance depends on how much the person posting the track has given back to the community.
I don't want to turn this into an argument, haha, I kind of agree with you. But discouraging people from posting in the MP forum just seems kind of odd, especially when it's true that this thread is exactly what the MP forum is made for. |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
That's not what the MP forum is for either, so if that's what you're doing, you can hardly complain about not getting any attention.
I used to be active there and I'd usually get ~10 replies in about 24 hours every time I posted a track. I don't have as much time lately, though, and now a track I've posted there is sitting with 1 reply and 34 page views, at least 15 of which are mine. sucks but it's not impossible to get constructive feedback there. |
You just hit the nail in the head, this days I notice a big difference between what was 2 years ego and now on MP forum, not many willing people to give you constructive criticism or some useful tips anymore but a lot of people taking as much benefits as possible and run. The reason for that maybe is the fact that we have a lot of new starting/beginners producers without a lot of knowledge to share and this would be understandable and hopefully will/would change over the time. I'm looking forward to the time we have 2 years ago!
Cheers,
Darek |
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| DJRYAN™ |
dude I wouldn't argue. I'm not that kind of person. Besides, the tension that it creates is exactly the kind of tension I don't need in my life. But we do seem to be in agreement so I don't see why we'd argue to begin with.
The only point I was tyring to make, which we seem to be on the same page is, too many of these posts would be a nuisance and that this is not the place for it. And I seem to be saying that the other forum, although the right place for these threads, doesn't suit either one of us for the feedback we want. I guess we want more than just "that sounds good". We want to hear, "Modulate the saw wave w/ the LFO patched to the frequency in order to get the right delay on the resonance, so that, the sound will be enhanced by these many dbs and within this hz range." lolol! =) RIGHT?!?!?!
hahahahahah!!
anyways... back on topic.. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
i think out of consideration
A: you have to be a contributer ie if this is your first post, forget it.
B: you have to be specific asking specific questions about specific parts
C: you don't do it alot and you really need help, not a pat on the back.
i don't mind those posts and they belong here. But if you do what you just did and post a track and ask for feed back on a mix, as the french say, go yourself but in french.
But even more annoying is what djRyan does. How he somehow manages to use any topic as a spring board to post his god awful clips like a rap artist announcing his new album drop when he receives some award on some award show. It is tacky , annoying and nobody cares. |
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| DJRYAN™ |
| dooley noted... I just thought it was better than creating an entire thread.. but.. I clearly understand your sentiment and until there something more substantial completed will be acknowledged.. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
as the french say, go yourself but in french. |
jesus . This is one of the few websites I visit regularly at work, mostly because "funny" doesn't describe many people here, and there's little risk of my boss catching me dicking around at work because of it. When he hears me laughing from his desk it's pretty hard to explain to him what's so funny about the Broederson's furnace installation invoice he thinks I'm working on.
that, though. that was too much. you silly bastard. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| you need a blog. And you need to limit how much you think the world wants to hear your music no matter how good you think it is. This isn't just for you but everyone including me. People don't really care what you do. IF they do, they will seek you out. So leave people a path, a way to funnel them towards your work, but the hardsell imbed is like a google add. And with a blog, you can put in your signature the topic of the day. Or imbed some tweet or whatever the twitter does. I mean i still think it is gay as a heterosexual hockey fan but it somehow is less obtrusive and more conforming to internet etiquette. But again, how long you are here also does matter. Your clips will always annoy me, but i guess i expect them now. But they aren't doing anything for ya. Or me. And words are n't printed on trees. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
jesus . This is one of the few websites I visit regularly at work, mostly because "funny" doesn't describe many people here, and there's little risk of my boss catching me dicking around at work because of it. When he hears me laughing from his desk it's pretty hard to explain to him what's so funny about the Broederson's furnace installation invoice he thinks I'm working on.
that, though. that was too much. you silly bastard. |
i once tried standup. Family and friends always said that i was the funniest person they knew and urged me to try it but I found out the hard way that there are 2 standards of funny, basically after 5 minutes, apologized to the crowd and said ya this isn't for me which was actually the only thing they laughed at. It is easier to get a laugh when you are not expecting it. But doing actual comedy, people expect a laugh. I'm the lower level. Funny if you aren't expecting to laugh. We have fun here. |
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| DJRYAN™ |
| well I do have a website but I think I'll tone it down just a little more. I don't want to be obtrusive or in your words a google ad and every little stepping stone doesn't deserve its own editorial. But enough stepping stones builds a bridge so I'll let you know when that bridge is built and you can test its sturdiness. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| just be more tactful. Use your signature, That won't annoy people as it is sort of read as junkmail by the brain but if people are interested, they will click. And i have the feeling sometimes that you are generally just excited , but it will never come off that way. There are just certain things people do and you can't shake that automatic response. Like ever since you changed your avatar, my level of dislike went down dramatically. COuld of been a big joke but the thing is that you played it too well that it was impossible to tell if you were that into yourself or you were crafting the perfect troll. |
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| jamielaidlaw |
| Just had a read at all the comments, sorry if this post was posted into the wrong forum. I'll b honest I look through a couple of these forums like using them as a library for production purposes to better my own productions. I notice in alot of these forums that people have arguments and big disagreements on things that mean nothing and that doesn't interest me atall I just want to learn to make music that I have such a passion for that hopefully 1 day I will make music that people will love and play out. I take it seriously and am now studying sound production and engineering at college. I most just look at the production sections of these forums and thought that this would be a way of introducing my self into this one. my tracks are no where good enough to be trying to promote my self. That's very true also that y should I get this critism when I have never contributed into this forum, but these forums are tight knight communities and I didnt know enough to really contribute into production side of things. If I can contribute what little knowledge I have of production i will be more than happy to share it. |
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