|
Traktor Headroom/Whats your take? (pg. 3)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
use your ears, the speakers are the limitation, i remember that in old mixers the meters where always red even with a single track playing at a moderate volume, though i think 3db it's enough to mix the tracks properly and keep the bang on the mix, more headroom leads you to less energetic transitions imo |
WOW! If you were at my club and I saw you redlining, I would give you for it. DJ's redline gets on my nerves. They don't understand or don't care that not only it can blow up the speakers but it also distorts the sound. I've kicked out a few DJ's off my decks for doing this.
:whip: :whip: |
|
|
| DjWoody |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Wow, what the are you lot up to?
A) Rodri - WTF? You're saying on older mixers the DJ's you saw were redlining with only one track playing and that was "fine"? Nope, it just means they didn't know what they were doing and it gets even worse when it's both tracks playing. Sure you could get away with the occasional redline on old formula sound, vestax, rane, bozak, even modern A&H you can get away with it to a degree but on anything else it just sounds like . Always has. especially on poineer mixers.
B) Don't put a limiter on the master. Turn it off. It just hides any peaks that clip with hard wall limiting. Fine, to curtail the very odd escapee peak clip, then I suppose it's better than digital clipping but it's bad practice to teach yourself you've always got a buffer if you don't watch your levels.
C) You want to get as close as possible to 0dbfs with your mix. Don't forget your noise floor is at a set level. If you print your mix at -10dbfs then gain change later to get closer to 0dbfs, your noise floor is at -10db proportionate to your signal strength which then increases with your volume change and that therefore means more noise at 0dbfs (bad).
I have to disagree with making up the gain in the analogue world; a quiet digital signal will need a lot of attentuation and the noise floor as stated above is imprinted at the given level. By having to jack it up with an amp or speakers (etc) you're raising the volume of the signal along with the inherent noise. The other problem is that anaolgue amplifiers also add their own noise with increases exponentially as you get louder so the more you have to increase the more noise is introduced.
If you're not doing offline processing after you've mixed (like radio compression etc), What you need to do is mix as close to 0dbfs as possible; so play both tracks, mid mix and set your gain staging on your mixer so that even at the busiest, loudest points (like both tracks dropping at the same time) you're still just under 0db. That means you can mix without clipping. |
This |
|
|
| orTofønChiLd |
| I don't use gains when i mix cuz i don't need to, i rarely run across tracks with poor gain or bad mastering. |
|
|
| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
I don't use gains when i mix cuz i don't need to, i rarely run across tracks with poor gain or bad mastering. |
Eh? Unless you are just using jacked up gains which stay stationary, then only using the faders to set channel volume (which is not great practice as you then can't utilise the faders the way they are mean to be used) it's pretty damn impossible to have all your tracks naturally match each other. There's no standard unless you're playing super over compressed pop which is all just jacked up but even then not everything will match.
You have to be using something to match perceived volumes between different tracks? |
|
|
| KiNeTiC ENeRgY |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
I don't use gains when i mix cuz i don't need to, i rarely run across tracks with poor gain or bad mastering. |
There's plenty of tracks out there with bad mastering. Especially in the edm world. if your using the auto gain in Traktor that's why you aren't noticing much. |
|
|
| orTofønChiLd |
| i still don't need to use the gains, the flow is steadily just listen to my mixes and you'll see |
|
|
| Looney4Clooney |
lol
because a mix should be the same volume for a whole hour. Same bpm too. Ahh rookie djs. So cute. Ummm i can't play here , there is no place for my laptop and i don't know how to use a cd player. Whats a vinyl ? |
|
|
| orTofønChiLd |
| i keep the gains at 5 which is the middle |
|
|
| Looney4Clooney |
by the way, your promo mix , at 9 40 - 50, huge volume change. Do that in a club and you will have people reaching for their ears. So ya, i would stop assuming every track has the same dynamic profile and rms profile. They don't. I suppose it doesn't really matter to bedroom djs but still. About a 5 dB rms change in 4 seconds. Not very smooth. It might work out on average but you will have those spots that don't. I find one in 9 minutes.
i mean if you don't have to beatmatch anymore, at least pay attention to the ing gain. Honestly, what the are you doing otherwise other than looking at the hot girls that are waiting to dance for the dj that doesn't suck.
WHen i dj'd my brothers wedding, i was expecting to be rather drunk so I designed a program that fed the mB GR i had on each track in huge red numbers. It basically would tell me how much i was going over the predefined limit so that if I was about to pass out, well i can assure you the gain is right. The fact that i've started playing rick astley debarge and the dazz band , well no program was made to account for that. |
|
|
| orTofønChiLd |
| there is no jump in waveform when i bounced it in logic so fukk off. YOur productions sound like toddler fiddling around with his synth for the first time. Now lets hear your mix instead of talking trash |
|
|
| orTofønChiLd |
| people have their own way of doing things and i choose mine. I use to use the gains but that was while ago and my mixes didn't go as well. Btw i can't use my gains anyway cuz o have a done 32 . They are in the back |
|
|
| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by orTofønChiLd
there is no jump in waveform when i bounced it in logic so fukk off. YOur productions sound like toddler fiddling around with his synth for the first time. Now lets hear your mix instead of talking trash |
no jumps ?
so your telling me your mix is just one big voltage that is pushing the tweater out ? lol
Go and listen you . at 930 - 10. If you can't hear how akward the change in perceived volume is, you should see a doctor. |
|
|
|
|
